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[falconfan84]

hunt4em, on 13 September 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Pete Brunow was on the Riverdale sidelines coaching, I guess I'm behind, does he have family he's helping over there or what.

This is his second year as an assistant at Riverdale.

[3rd & Long]

Big win for VB this week, finally getting "over the hump" and beating one of the top programs in the BVC. Next step is an even bigger challenge against Arlington. Can they get #2 back to back? Thoughts?

[falconfan84]

Big win vs. McComb, but will be very surprised if they can upset Arlington.

[Ericles]

hunt4em, on 13 September 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

Pete Brunow was on the Riverdale sidelines coaching, I guess I'm behind, does he have family he's helping over there or what.

I think this is the 2nd year Pete has been coaching at Riverdale.

[Common Sense]

Yes, that was a huge win for Van Buren, maybe biggest win in a decade or more. If they want to be contenders in the BVC, they need to start beating some of the top teams in the conference. Tall order this week. Looks like the Fuller kid came over just in time. He's added a dimension at QB that they've lacked in years. This may be the Red Devils year.

[playmaker]

Unfortunately for VB, that win over McComb didn't do anything for them in terms of winning their division due to the league rules. Obviously it helped with confidence and playoff points, don't get me wrong

[bob22]

^^^^^

And fortunately for Riverdale and Hopewell they haven't played a BVC game yet. Technically.


Just another head scratcher when it comes to sports.

Big Ten? 14 teams
Big 12? 10 teams
NFL? Dallas Cowboys in the NFC East.
BVC? Its a conference game but it doesn't count

Edited by bob22, 15 September 2014 - 07:11 PM.

[3rd & Long]

bob22, on 15 September 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

^^^^^

And fortunately for Riverdale and Hopewell they haven't played a BVC game yet. Technically.


Just another head scratcher when it comes to sports.

Big Ten? 14 teams
Big 12? 10 teams
NFL? Dallas Cowboys in the NFC East.
BVC? Its a conference game but it doesn't count

Haha definitely a head scratcher for sure.... The BVC needs to take a hard look at how they set this split up (Especially for football) b/c we could have 2 conference champs, 1 who potentially goes undefeated and the other who has 3 "League" lossses and goes 6-4 or 7-3, but b/c those losses weren't in their division they still win their division.

[McPanther]

3rd & Long, on 16 September 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

Haha definitely a head scratcher for sure.... The BVC needs to take a hard look at how they set this split up (Especially for football) b/c we could have 2 conference champs, 1 who potentially goes undefeated and the other who has 3 "League" lossses and goes 6-4 or 7-3, but b/c those losses weren't in their division they still win their division.

There is no need for 2 divisions. My proposal is:
Make some criteria for the teams and get them in a #1-12 order... 1-Record, 2-points allowed, points scored ect.
Critera will have no bearing on league champion...Only record as it has been in years past.
The top (tier) 9 teams will play each other the following year.
The bottom (tier) 3 teams will play each other with the #12 team playing #4-9 in the top tier.
#11 team will play #3-8 in the top tier in addition to the other 2 bottom tier teams and
#10 team will play #1-7 in the top tier and the bottom tier teams.
Make this adjustment every year. Home and away should be able to be worked out. If it is an issue I'd say let the top tier team have the home game.
A tweek that could me made (or not) is that the only teams that can go to the bottom tier are the Div. VII schools. This is so the top tier teams have the best chance to make the post season by playing the bigger schools.

[playmaker]

McPanther, on 16 September 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

There is no need for 2 divisions. My proposal is:
Make some criteria for the teams and get them in a #1-12 order... 1-Record, 2-points allowed, points scored ect.
Critera will have no bearing on league champion...Only record as it has been in years past.
The top (tier) 9 teams will play each other the following year.
The bottom (tier) 3 teams will play each other with the #12 team playing #4-9 in the top tier.
#11 team will play #3-8 in the top tier in addition to the other 2 bottom tier teams and
#10 team will play #1-7 in the top tier and the bottom tier teams.
Make this adjustment every year. Home and away should be able to be worked out. If it is an issue I'd say let the top tier team have the home game.
A tweek that could me made (or not) is that the only teams that can go to the bottom tier are the Div. VII schools. This is so the top tier teams have the best chance to make the post season by playing the bigger schools.

Even having divisions is not awful. You can leave it as is, while constantly reorganizing the divisions. All they need to do is make ALL conference games matter, not just divisional ones. Even though the top teams in opposite divisions don't play the same opponents, they still play all the best teams. It is highly unlikely that a team would lose out on a title by losing to a bottom team.

The end result is one champion, with the top teams still avoid playing a few bottom teams.

[Irish Viking 87]

I believe that years ago, the Toledo City League had a championship game. It may of been week 11 though. I seem to remember that it wasn't always the top two teams because the top teams were in the play-offs.

Using the championship game premise though, why not play one less crossover game, and play a championship game week 10. Make all the games count. Top team in the Blanchard and top team in the Valley play each other. Play it at Donnell. The rest of the games, 2 plays 2, 3 plays 3 and so on. One year the Blanchard division is designated the home team and host, the next year it would be the Valley hosting. It would get two probable play-off teams an early chance to play on the turf. You may have some rematches, but it's no different that the play-offs and you get a true league champion.

Edited by Irish Viking 87, 16 September 2014 - 12:24 PM.

[McPanther]

Irish Viking 87, on 16 September 2014 - 12:21 PM, said:

I believe that years ago, the Toledo City League had a championship game. It may of been week 11 though. I seem to remember that it wasn't always the top two teams because the top teams were in the play-offs.

Using the championship game premise though, why not play one less crossover game, and play a championship game week 10. Make all the games count. Top team in the Blanchard and top team in the Valley play each other. Play it at Donnell. The rest of the games, 2 plays 2, 3 plays 3 and so on. One year the Blanchard division is designated the home team and host, the next year it would be the Valley hosting. It would get two probable play-off teams an early chance to play on the turf. You may have some rematches, but it's no different that the play-offs and you get a true league champion.

The way I understand it is..Per OHSAA, All games prior to the post season have to be pre-determined.

[Whiterabbit]

Great ideas. I think it boils down to two criteria; one LEAGUE champ and limit the top schools playing all the bottom in turn prevents the bottoms playing all the tops. Redo it every year or two years, make all games count.

If someone can design something that accomplishes this, I think all will be happy and I will sign my name to it; even though my signature means nothing

[playmaker]

McPanther, on 16 September 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

The way I understand it is..Per OHSAA, All games prior to the post season have to be pre-determined.

Correct. This game would not count for playoff points, thus would not happen. Though it would be exciting.

[Irish Viking 87]

McPanther, on 16 September 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

The way I understand it is..Per OHSAA, All games prior to the post season have to be pre-determined.

I figured that was the reason. I guess it could cause a computer points problem. It would be fun though. The BVC can't be the only conference in the state with this problem. There has to be a solution. The way it is now, you really have two conferences, the Blanchard Conference and the Valley Conference.

Edited by Irish Viking 87, 16 September 2014 - 01:24 PM.

[Bluetiger76]

I will be the only one with these sentiments, but who cares if there is two divisions or one. The bigger picture is the playoffs.... who makes it to week 11 and who wins in week 15. In 2004 Liberty-Benton went 10-0 and won the conference. In route to the conference championship they beat Hardin Northern 35-0 at HN. LB won in wk11 then was bounced in wk12. Hardin Northern went 14-1 and won the state championship. Who do you think remembers the BVC champ as oppose to the state champ? If the conference now has two champions or a singular determined champ...I don't really care. Set your goals higher........JMHO fellows.

[Bluetiger76]

.......with 2 divisions it "does" though allow the top teams to play the 6 best teams in the conference and go out and schedule 2 more competitive teams. That is 8 fairly solid teams on your schedule.

Edited by Bluetiger76, 16 September 2014 - 01:51 PM.

[McPanther]

I agree, I don't remember LB winning the league that year but, they were still BVC Champs regardless and that's a big deal.
Only hard-cores remember the years other teams win the league after a few years.

With no league divisions there is only 1 Champ. We are already diluted enough with 7 playoff divisions etc.
This was already mentioned but worth repeating:
VB could win their division, get beat by Arlington and LB and call themselves a BVC Division champ. That would be a joke!
If that happed we may see change sooner than later.

[McPanther]

Bluetiger76, on 16 September 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Did a little research and it appears the Firelands (who has split divisions) has had one single football champ 7 times in the last 10 years, co-champs twice, and.......3 champs in 2004-2005.

McPanther......I don't think I would even like 3 conference champs. LOL!

How about Co-Blanchard Champs and Co-Valley Champs. Could happen!!

[Irish Viking 87]

The problem I see with only one division is a team could go 8-0 in the conference and possibly not play what is thought to be three of the top teams in the conference, while another team has to play them all. One team goes 8-0 and the other goes 5-3. Or they both go 8-0. There could still be co-champs because all teams still won't play each other. I'm not sure there is a solution with a 12 team league. The only true solution to have a true champion is a round-robin schedule and you can't do that with 12 teams and only 8 league games.