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[krumlman]

FlightCrew, on 23 March 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

For the 3rd and final time.....Quincy Simpson is NOT getting the LSH job.
He is not even on their radar.

[Bobby]

tunnelvision, on 23 March 2014 - 08:50 PM, said:

Excuse me. Bruce played the 4th game of the season at Fort Jennings. Look it up. That is not 50%.

2013 season or 2014 season? I think pokercat is right. As of this year the only transfer rule is sit out 50% of the season.

[krumlman]

Who says you know it all ???

[chalk_it_up]

This thread is comical.

Could you imagine the uproar if a private school were on here talking about hiring a coach to get players to transfer in?

You guys do realize one of the main reasons Quincy took his kids out of LSH was because he wanted his kids in a better environment, right? He's not a dumb man, and as a result he understands that there actually is more to life than basketball. That's not to say sports aren't important and can't play a part, especially to someone like Quincy who obviously has a love for basketball, but his decision was based on far more than that.

And there in lies your problem, LSH. These kids and parents have options now, as they should when it comes to RAISING THEIR CHILD AND THEIR EDUCATION. To have to determine where your child is educated and what environments they are exposed to based on where you live is draconian, and has thankfully started to shift.

While people tend to have the biggest problem with LCC receiving voucher students (a small portion of that is based on tax payer dollars going elsewhere and that's understandable), they are the least of LSH's worries. There has been a mass exodus of kids from the Lima City school district to surrounding public schools with open enrollment where they can go for FREE (something even a voucher doesn't provide given LCC's annual tuition).

And while LCC gets hammered for recruiting middle school kids via vouchers (again, laughable) and Elida gets a pass for having 4 of their Top 9 players on their state team not attend Elida until freshman year or later, the reality is that they are bound to get some athletes within the group that comes into their school. If there was real recruiting by any school, the make-up of their teams wouldn't mirror that of their general enrollment, and that's not the case with any area school. LCC's voucher percentage on their basketball team, and other sports, almost matches exactly to that of their overall enrollment (which leaves little doubt that part of the uproar stems from the fact that the race percentages don't always match, which is sad). Same with that of the area public schools and open enrollment. The fact is that those schools offer what are perceived to be as better environments to raise their kids, especially if they're not taking coursework that only LSH can offer.

Look at the OGT test scores for the surrounding schools and you'll see the issue loud and clear. I'm not one who's big on standardized testing, but they tend to be good at pointing out the schools on either end of the testing, good or bad. LCC has the highest scores in the area (had to brag a little ), but there are several area schools that are excellent, and even the schools at the lower end post respectable numbers when you factor everything in. That's because they are communities who tend to do things like have more people attend high school graduation ceremonies than state basketball ceremonies, and other things that demonstrate real priorities.

But LSH, on the other end, is scary bad. That's not to blame the administration or teachers, as they are educated and trained as well as any of the teachers at other schools. The problem starts and ends at home and with the parents, period. That doesn't get discussed because it's not politically correct and the immediate reactions are, however unfounded, "you're racist" and "you're blaming ALL the parents," but it's the unfortunate truth.

And the worst part is, I'm not sure how you begin to fix it. I sure as hell know it isn't hiring a basketball coach, whether it's Quincy or Coach K.

Edited by chalk_it_up, 24 March 2014 - 10:01 AM.

[chalk_it_up]

Maltese Falcon, on 20 March 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

X. Simpson is a great HS player. As far as MAJOR D-1 colleges go, he is not very sought after. Xavier is not good enough for Q to leverage himself an assistant coaching position at a major D1 program. No way.

Not saying they will be a package deal, but X will go Major D1. Michigan State level. He'll be shooting up the recruiting sites when they re-evaluate the 2016 class.

[Spartan87]

Chalk it up wins! Even though I'm a public school guy, there is a double standard. Funny how no one ever mentioned the highest profile transfer that took place in the city last season..... Don't worry, I'll wait...

Edited by Spartan87, 24 March 2014 - 12:07 PM.

[Dman]

Since Q left his older son at LCC when X went to LCC...is it fair to assume that Lima Senior's educational situation is not a huge concern? Or maybe he loves X more. :-D

If the intention is to convince everybody that sports and basketball are but ancillary reasons that a kid chooses LCC, St. Joe's, Harvest Prep, Dunbar, St. Edwards, SVSM, etc...you might want to keep that conversation among the 17% crowd.

I've no doubt that in most cases the education IS better. I've no doubt that for some the education is actually a primary reason to switch schools...though I've always wondered why the crappy school district seems fine until high school. I also have no doubt that for many...basketball and sports IS the reason for the transfer. I've also no doubt that fans of teams that benefit from border stretching, hide behind a superior education as their deflector...because admitting the truth hurts a little too much.

This thread cuts both ways. Q gets the job...and kids leave LCC...then the whole "they do it for the education" deflection looks even sillier than it does in so many cases this moment.

Crestview and Norwalk being the outliers that prove the rule... All things considered...money, education quality, etc...the easiest path to basketball success...is having the means, luck, and willingness to employ some sort of border stretching strategy. I'm more than willing to discuss this point, but I'm guessing the raw data will demonstrate that those that implement border stretching have greater success getting to Cbus, winning at Cbus, and returning regularly to Cbus...than those who do it the Crestview/Norwalk way.

Nobody is talking about Norwalk and Crestview coming back to Columbus next year. They had their talent run...and now it is back to reality. The other programs mentioned will all be back, or make it close...they don't suffer the talent drop offs that teams stuck to a confined area inevitably suffer. There are differing degrees to how and why border stretching benefits...but nobody of sound mind and objective reasoning can pretend to not see the benefits of open borders...in my opinion.

The way LCC and Crestview just won their titles is and was very different. You don't have to agree with my opinion...but I do look at each of their achievements differently. This does not mean that I don't respect the heck out of the players and coaches, their performances, etc...I do. But I honestly believe that without border stretching benefits, we are talking about one area champion today. I guess is a border stretcher has to win...then it is best that it is one from NW Ohio...

Edited by Dman, 24 March 2014 - 02:28 PM.

[charliesheen]

Dman....you might be on to something with this "border stretcher" thing.....when/if the new competitive balance thing gets voted in, that might just be an appropriate name for one of the divisions.....you'd have D1, D2, D3, D4 and BS.....seems just about right....

[chalk_it_up]

That's fine. As long as schools like Elida and other schools with open enrollment get the same treatment.

The multiplier, if there ever is one, needs to be based on the proximity of the athlete's residence to the school, the population in the school's enrollment footprint and, in larger part, to the athlete's tenure at the school. Penalize schools harsher the deeper into their education that they transfer.

The reality is that LCC doesn't have students transferring in from outside locations any more than the Elida, Bath, and Perry's of the world, and their enrollment footprint clearly indicates that.

That also clearly shows how LCC's advantage is the same as that of Elida and other open enrollment schools close to Lima City. Schools in more densely populated areas theoretically have access to more kids. It just so happens that the largest school in the area has fallen on hard times and many parents are using their somewhat newfound options via open enrollment and vouchers to send their kids elsewhere.

If anything, LCC has a lesser advantage because the student is still left with over $1,000 to pay if he uses a voucher and he HAS to come before high school to get a dime. The reality is that X and all but 1 or 2 of his teammates has played every minute of organized basketball, Jr High up, in an LCC jersey. The reality also is that if X, Trey, and Dantez left, we'd still be a 15 win team next year, granted with a much lower upside. That's because, like Crestview, LCC's annual success isn't an accident. Go Birds.

Edited by chalk_it_up, 24 March 2014 - 04:40 PM.

[Dman]

I agree with almost everything you are saying. I will add that LCC's greatest advantage is that they are Div III in my opinion. The smaller the division, in general, the greater impact one or more transfers can make. But there is no doubt that other local schools have or have had similar situations. The higher the division, the less the impact, and frankly the less people seem to care.

[NWbballfan]

Without the "big three" sophs, lcc is a .500 team next year.

[whodey]

Sorry NWBball- Agree with Chalk here LCC would win 15 without the "big 3" have always done fine with their own kids

[bball_fanatic]

Soooooo seems everything turns into a LCC thread; but back to the topic I go. Heard Sunday that Davis has an interview sometime thos week (which we knew). Anyone else hear of CONFIRMED people who have interviews?

[SpartanDome]

bball_fanatic, on 25 March 2014 - 07:32 PM, said:

Soooooo seems everything turns into a LCC thread; but back to the topic I go. Heard Sunday that Davis has an interview sometime thos week (which we knew). Anyone else hear of CONFIRMED people who have interviews?

Not sure who you heard that from. Applications deadline is April 18th. Lima City Schools are on Spring Break(out of town trips planned) Very strange to have any interviews for anyone this week.

[lepiota]

Davis won't be back. Even if he doesn't get Senior High job

[SpartanDome]

lepiota, on 26 March 2014 - 12:50 PM, said:

Davis won't be back. Even if he doesn't get Senior High job

Is he resigning or being forced to resign? Is he retiring, he should have 30 plus years in by now.

[lepiota]

Not retiring, not forced out. Leaving of his own volition

[bball_fanatic]

Spartan Dome.... Davis is getting interviewed this week or next week. Ok maybe this week is a "sit down to talk" and the following weeks to come an interview. I cant tell you my source... but ohhh soooo trust me. Davis has been in the works for about 3 months and talking between the parties has begun... unofficially. There... is that better for you since I put unofficially? How is Q working out?

[juan]

I like Doug Davis, very good coach but if Q isn't the man Lima Senior will stay irrelevant for the forseen future.

[SpartanDome]

bball_fanatic, on 26 March 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Spartan Dome.... Davis is getting interviewed this week or next week. Ok maybe this week is a "sit down to talk" and the following weeks to come an interview. I cant tell you my source... but ohhh soooo trust me. Davis has been in the works for about 3 months and talking between the parties has begun... unofficially. There... is that better for you since I put unofficially? How is Q working out?

If Lima Senior is doing this "behind the scenes" and not doing their work to make sure they have the best possible coach, then they deserve to remain irrelevant in boys basketball.