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[whatdoiknow]

So the best you can come up with is a guy out of coaching who didnt win state with a mcdonalds all american and a guy with no head coaching experience.

[SpartanDome]

whatdoiknow, on 16 March 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

So the best you can come up with is a guy out of coaching who didnt win state with a mcdonalds all american and a guy with no head coaching experience.

THESE ARE THE IDIOTIC POSTS I was talking about........I forgot EVERY TEAM WITH A McDonalds All American WINS STATE EVERY YEAR.. I AM SOOO SORRY I FORGOT THAT

[Spartan87]

SpartanDome:

You can lead a horse to water........you know the rest.........

You are dead on about getting a coach that the kids relate to and respond to. He can draw up all the x's and o's in the world but if the kids won't play for him, you know what the result is. As good as Doug Davis has been lately, and I have nothing against the guy, I'm not sure he's the right fit...Being the head coach at Lima Senior entails a bunch of things outside of the realm of coaching. Some people embrace that some don't. I don't know if Doug is or wants to attack the challenges with coaching in the inner city vs. suburbia. I just hope that the selection committee weighs everything before settling on or for "who's hot" right now.

[effingA]

Spartan-don't get too excited...everyone has an opinion. Take the good with the bad... I too hope LSH gets the right guy - some of the other local schools might not though...

[whatdoiknow]

Let me be more clear. In the histroy of lima city schools the most talented team in school history was coached by whit. That team gave away the state title because of a lack of discipline and the inability to play against a zone trap. Of course every team with an all american doesn't win the state title. However, if your knock on Davis is he ran into a good class. Could not the same be true about your choice?

I just think it is idiotic (using your words) to rip a qualified candidate. Especiallywhen your lack the knowledge to offer possibilities that meet the criteria you judged Davis by.

Edited by whatdoiknow, 16 March 2014 - 03:08 PM.

[Irish Viking 87]

whatdoiknow, on 16 March 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

Let me be more clear. In the histroy of lima city schools the most talented team in school history was coached by whit. That team gave away the state title because of a lack of discipline and the inability to play against a zone trap. Of course every team with an all american doesn't win the state title. However, if your knock on Davis is he ran into a good class. Could not the same be true about your choice?

I just think it is idiotic (using your words) to rip a qualified candidate. Especiallywhen your lack the knowledge to offer possibilities that meet the criteria you judged Davis by.

I don't have a horse in this race but I agree with what SpartanDome is saying. Paul Whitney was not his choice, it was a name given to him by someone he contacted and he passed the information on. Also, I've read these posts and have yet to see him bash Davis. He simply brought up the records of Davis to say he isn't exactly what other posters claim him to be. I've seen many coaches hired after they had a couple of good years and became the flavor of the month. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Other than being a LSH alum and having the first two good tournament runs of his career, what makes Doug Davis the right choice to be the next head coach at Lima Senior.

Edited by Irish Viking 87, 16 March 2014 - 07:01 PM.

[effingA]

The most talented ever... maybe. The most selfish...guaranteed!

[SpartanDome]

Spartan87, on 16 March 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

SpartanDome:

You can lead a horse to water........you know the rest.........

You are dead on about getting a coach that the kids relate to and respond to. He can draw up all the x's and o's in the world but if the kids won't play for him, you know what the result is. As good as Doug Davis has been lately, and I have nothing against the guy, I'm not sure he's the right fit...Being the head coach at Lima Senior entails a bunch of things outside of the realm of coaching. Some people embrace that some don't. I don't know if Doug is or wants to attack the challenges with coaching in the inner city vs. suburbia. I just hope that the selection committee weighs everything before settling on or for "who's hot" right now.

@Spartan87 That is exactly what I am talking about. Some get it and some do not.

whatdoiknow, on 16 March 2014 - 03:00 PM, said:

Let me be more clear. In the histroy of lima city schools the most talented team in school history was coached by whit. That team gave away the state title because of a lack of discipline and the inability to play against a zone trap. Of course every team with an all american doesn't win the state title. However, if your knock on Davis is he ran into a good class. Could not the same be true about your choice?

I just think it is idiotic (using your words) to rip a qualified candidate. Especiallywhen your lack the knowledge to offer possibilities that meet the criteria you judged Davis by.

I did a little research on the All American game
21 Players from Ohio played in the game
6 led their team to a State Championship
3 led their team to a State Runner up
2 led their team to a Final Four appearance
10 of them never even got to the Final Four
If my memory serves me correctly, one can look at the game against Lakota many ways. Your way is OF COURSE the MOST NEGATIVE toward the Coach and Team.
I personally offered NO ONE, those two came from people in Lima. I HAVE NO KNOCK ON DAVIS, again I stated FACTS that seemed to support the previous poster that said Davis did not build a program rather had a couple of good classes. Just the FACTS. I am and will continue to do research on Paul Whitney and Quincey Simpson to see "what they bring to the table". I am ultimately concerned with LIMA SENIOR BASKETBALL. No hidden agenda here.

[SpartanDome]

effingA, on 16 March 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

The most talented ever... maybe. The most selfish...guaranteed!

effingA, on 16 March 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Spartan-don't get too excited...everyone has an opinion. Take the good with the bad... I too hope LSH gets the right guy - some of the other local schools might not though...

WOW I guess I will use your advice. Good with the bad. I am shocked or perhaps amazed at your knowledge of the history of Lima Senior Basketball. Really "The most selfish.....guaranteed!' Really??

[SpartanDome]

Irish Viking 87, on 16 March 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

I don't have a horse in this race but I agree with what SpartanDome is saying. Paul Whitney was not his choice, it was a name given to him by someone he contacted and he passed the information on. Also, I've read these posts and have yet to see him bash Davis. He simply brought up the records of Davis to say he isn't exactly what other posters claim him to be. I've seen many coaches hired after they had a couple of good years and became the flavor of the month. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Other than being a LSH alum and having the first two good tournament runs of his career make Doug Davis the right choice to be the next head coach at Lima Senior.

Thank You for an obviously unbiased observation.

[juan]

SpartanDome, on 16 March 2014 - 03:53 PM, said:

Thank You for an obviously unbiased observation.

[effingA]

I would say so... Chemistry was a real issue on that team. There were times Simpson wouldn't pass it to Lyles and vice-versa.
I personally think Emzer's and Stevie's team might have been more talented but I'm not a Lima guy and don't know much before the 70's. The team Neikamp took to Cbus was pretty good. Heath had a couple good teams also.
Just an opinion, like yours... don't read too much into anyone's...

[dw629]

Irish Viking 87, on 16 March 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

I don't have a horse in this race but I agree with what SpartanDome is saying. Paul Whitney was not his choice, it was a name given to him by someone he contacted and he passed the information on. Also, I've read these posts and have yet to see him bash Davis. He simply brought up the records of Davis to say he isn't exactly what other posters claim him to be. I've seen many coaches hired after they had a couple of good years and became the flavor of the month. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Other than being a LSH alum and having the first two good tournament runs of his career make Doug Davis the right choice to be the next head coach at Lima Senior.

If Whitney is interested I would say interview him too. I am not saying Davis is the only answer to be teacher/coach at LSH I'm just curious who will have a better resume? I think it would silly not to interview Davis with his recent success running a D2 program. I'm sure they will take the best 3-5 applicants and interview them and I am sure Davis (and Whitney if applies) are amount those 3-5.

[cs59]

Lima Senior has more problems than just who the coach is. They have been consistently losing numbers & are not a large Div1 school anymore. Davis has had some success in the last 2 years, but before not so much. He's in a safe situation @ Bath probably wouldn't improve his situation by going to LS. He would still be fighting LCC to keep players at Senior.

Edited by cs59, 16 March 2014 - 04:12 PM.

[juan]

Quincey Simpson needs to be the next head basketball coach at Lima Senior if he is interested. By watching his JV teams from a few years back he seems to get extreme effort from his kids. I know it's only JV level but nowadays it's difficult to find a coach that kids are willing to go through a wall for.

I'm not saying I want Quincey as coach in hopes that players from LCC will follow, I just feel he's the coach that kids will respond too. He knows their background, the home condition some of the kids deal with. I just see it as a good fit.

[Irish Viking 87]

Did I miss something? Is Shawn out at Senior? The only thing I've seen is one post that says a player says he got fired at 6 o'clock on a Sat night. Is he gone or are we all just speculating?

[Dman]

effingA, on 16 March 2014 - 02:58 PM, said:

Spartan-don't get too excited...everyone has an opinion. Take the good with the bad... I too hope LSH gets the right guy - some of the other local schools might not though...

LoL...

[JBball]

@SpartanDome
What was Jefferson's record prior to Davis' first season there? Believe it was consistently 0-2 wins per year. And as for them not getting out of sectionals in those few years, I believe they lost to a very good St. Henry team and Wayne Trace (who lost to Akron SVSM by one two games later) in the sectional finals during two of their best years. I'm not arguing he is the best coach in the world, but you keep acting like these programs were relevant prior to his arrival. Jefferson hasn't been very good since. I just don't see many possibilities out there that are better.

[Rocketman]

With Shawn Allen's imminent departure does LSH look to their next "coach in waiting?"
It would seem to make sense to allow the new coach to grow into the job..
He would certainly be able to relate to the younger athletes at LSH and could talk
their lingo...he has the street cred that they can understand.....

Why not give him the chance and see how it shakes out?....if it doesn't work out
in a year or two, move on and try to persuade Q to come back after his son is finished
playing?......RM

[slice slice baby]

dw629, on 16 March 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

Save your time with these guys..

SpartanDome
Juan
Mysteryman2014

All 3 have created account in past week or 2 once the LSH bball season ended

All 3 have talked bad about Allen and/or Davis

All 3 have praised Quincey Simpson as a great hs bball coach and best option even talked about his ability to coach JV basketball years ago

Mysteryman puts a multi paragraph post promoting top tier sports showcase on this site and I believe that is Simpson's camp.

All the hating on Davis makes sense. He's the biggest threat to get the position and most likely going to get it, so pull up his 15 years coaching record to try to diminish what Bath has accomplished the past few seasons.

It's obvious there is personal commection with Simpson..

JUst because others have opinions that differ from yours, they should be ignored? Nice............ smh