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[NWOhioSports50]

I know I am not the only one thinking this, but with the talent Pandora Gilboa has really has surprised me the outcome of their record so far. Last I seen PG was 8-8. With leadership from from the Maag's, and H. Hermiller I would think that PG would be doing much better this season. One thing I have noticed is PG's coach isn't the most experienced with basketball and it is starting to show. These are the last round of girl that have been running off of the prior coaches material. What is going to happen once they are gone. I feel bad for this set of seniors and their season because they are having to go through a season without a coach.

I have seen PG play multiple times this year and well in all reality, PG's Junior Varsity coach should be coaching the Varsity. He has a sense for the game and knows what he is talking about. The JV coach had won all but 2 games until recent, the Varsity coach made some unrealistic changes dropping 3 varsity girls to JV and knocking the JV into a stir, since this they have been killed in 3 straight for jv.

Something needs to be done a PG and I'd say this off season. Good Luck to PG and their tournament run this year because I wouldn't want to draw them. They will be the most under rated low seed in the tournament, depending the team that shows up.

[RealDeal]

Coaching JV is a lot different than coaching varsity. Especially at these smaller schools - most BVC schools can barely field a team largely made up of freshman. Every team (sometimes by necessity) at the tiny schools moves kids up and down. I am not sure records at the JV level matter that much. Whether the kids are being prepared to contribute to varsity some day is more important. Much of what a JV coach does is at the direction of the varsity coach. PG's head coach was very active helping the JV coach in the game I saw. They also seemed to run the same offense/defense as the varsity so I didn't think the JV coach did anything spectacular in terms of strategy. Also, how many future D1 college players (or even kids that will eventually play varsity) has the JV coach had to coach against on JV? The varsity coach has to coach against Meyers from LB, Glick from Arcadia, Siefker from Ottoville, etc. He may have the potential to be a great varsity coach but hard to judge just by his record. You could say that if the JV record is good, the varsity coach may be failing by needing to play more of the JV kids over the seniors - maybe that is the mistake.

When I saw PG play twice (one win, one loss) I thought their ballhandling was poor and they didn't have a consistent scorer outside of Maag.

I feel for any PG coach with what I see on these boards.

[Common Sense]

That's odd. I'm a BVC person from another school and I really think PG's coach does a pretty good job. Maag is one of the better players it the area, but other than that, they don't have a ton of skilled players. They are about what I thought they'd be.

[RealDeal]

Common Sense, on 31 January 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

That's odd. I'm a BVC person from another school and I really think PG's coach does a pretty good job. Maag is one of the better players it the area, but other than that, they don't have a ton of skilled players. They are about what I thought they'd be.

I agree, I didn't see them beating LB, Arcadia, or Leipsic in the BVC with any coach. I wouldn't have been surprised if they beat Arlington or lost to McComb.

[youngcheesy]

I will agree that PG hasn't lived up to expectations, but were those expectations realistic? Coming into the season we knew about the current seniors. However, anyone who watches knows that other than Megan Maag, the rest of them are streaky, inconsistent shooters. You add that to having nobody that's going to give much production to bring off the bench, the odds start stacking up against you. Watching the juniors who got moved down to JV, they even struggle against JV competition. And they have only been blown out once (last night) and did beat Arcadia since the move. I'm sure it was decided upon as a coaching staff to get those girls more minutes to try to develop for next year. I agree with RealDeal and Common Sense's posts. From my understanding the coach played at the college level, so she obviously has knowledge of the game. Does that always translate to being a great coach...not always. But to say she doesn't have a clue would probably be an exaggeration.
I have lived in Pandora for a long time now and have been very discouraged with the parents and community as a whole when it comes to support for coaches. I know it's not everyone, but it seems there is not much support for any coaches at this school. People complain about these young varsity coaches with little experience on both the girls and boys side. However, they were the same ones who ran out two experienced coaches in Braidic and Brooks. Who in their right mind with experience would want to come to PG to coach? There's a reason why the school didn't hire an experienced head coach...because all experienced coaches know they will get no support here so they will not waste their time. Let's give these young coaches a fair chance and see what they can do after 4 or 5 years. It's going to take a special group of parents and community supporters to take a stand and try to change this negative culture, and I will sure as he11 do my part.

Edited by youngcheesy, 31 January 2014 - 11:26 AM.

[Common Sense]

If you are a jump shooting team, you're going to be streaky. I felt the PG girls understand HOW to play the game, and I think that's critical today. There are not many GOOD basketball teams around today. Some programs do too much individual fundamental skills and the kid don't know how the play the game. Some programs just play and the kids have poor individual skills. Two things every kid needs to be able to do, 1. Dribble/ Pass a basketball in traffic, under duress 2. Play defense. Scoring is secondary. If you can defend and handle the ball, and you have 8-9 kids on the team that can do that, you'll be fine.

[Stewart Little]

Why is this not a surprise. Imagine someone from Pandora-Gilboa having the audacity to claim that a coach needs to go. I swear PG could have Steve Williman, Seth Newlove, Randy Baker, Nate Irwin, Jason Vermillion and they would never be happy. It's not the coaching, IMO. It's the bad mouthing about the coach that goes on around the dinner table each night. That attitude is carried right through the gymnasium doors for practice. On game night, both players and parents walk through that door with pi$$ poor attitudes and it kills the program.

PG needs to stand behind their coaches and help to make the program better. PG had good coaches and chased them away.

I think what makes it so hard is that we all go to ball games and watch our daughters (sons) get beat and we want to blame someone. The truth is, there is no blame, someone wins, someone loses. Sometimes the better team loses. It's called 'playing' the game. It's a life lesson. I can't even tell you what the records of my basketball teams were when I was in high school, but I will tell you that the coach I had as a freshman prepared me more for life than anyone else ever did. It wasn't about winning and losing, it was about learning.

Finally, parents get behind your coaches, support them, support your kids, give both what they need to succeed, and FGS, don't get in their way.




I need to stop reading this web site. My blood pressure boils.

[Rocketman]

Stew,
It's not the RC that makes your blood boil.....
There have been more stories about PG in the RC's existence than any other.....
I still believe it stems from the discord between Gilboa and Pandora.....it was never
a good fit.....certainly not like the EHarmony ad makes it out to be....

[Common Sense]

It's ok for adults to disagree with how things are being done, it's ok for them to disagree with each other. However, if you are the parent of a kid, it's not ok to berate and consistently second guess someone who is teaching your kids. It undermines any authority that coach has or will ever have. Do you challenge everything the teachers in the classrooms teach?? Same deal. Do you kids a favor, just support them, encourage them to play their best in the confines of the team, and not complain about playing time, or who shooting, or who's not. Good coach or bad coach, they need to have the respect of the players to get anything done.

[TiGgEr3]

NWO if you want a real good look at them you can come be my guest tomorrow at kalida.

[NW Ohio Guy]

These girls have been going down hill since the beginning of the season. I don't think it helped having the hardest season openers you could have, leipsic and Liberty-benton, which ended in an OT loss and an out of reach loss. The only games they should have lost is liberty Benton and one of the leipsic games,possibly the Carey game ahead. The girls did have a bad attitude coming into the season because of the bad ending of the volleyball season plus their negative expectations of the b-ball season and the coach. Ever since brooks left the girls have had nothing good to say about basketball besides when it was over. On top of it the new arrangement with the jv team has some of the varsity parents of the girls (And some of the girls on team) who got moved down upset (no suprise). And another surprise: of course there an attempt to get a angry mob to get rid of the varsity boys coach and some angry girls parents complaining to get rid of the girls coach. Sounds stereotypical to me but you dont just make this stuff up. Of course what the district needs to remember, once you get rid of a coach there's always worse out there**

The girls coach I believe can stay, she does know more than how to get dressed up, like many people think is the only thing she can do. Yeah so some of the things she does is questionable, but in some games I have heard her tell the girls some smart things. I sat close enough to her at some of the games, the one that comes to mind the most is the ottoville game last year when the girls had one of the closest, if not the closest, game ottoville had until state and she made some good decisions. However I'm not gonna speak for any other coach in the district as I don't know any more than hear-say.

Edited by NW Ohio Guy, 02 February 2014 - 04:08 PM.

[Ohswish12]

NW Ohio Guy, on 02 February 2014 - 03:54 PM, said:

These girls have been going down hill since the beginning of the season. I don't think it helped having the hardest season openers you could have, leipsic and Liberty-benton, which ended in an OT loss and an out of reach loss. The only games they should have lost is liberty Benton and one of the leipsic games,possibly the Carey game ahead. The girls did have a bad attitude coming into the season because of the bad ending of the volleyball season plus their negative expectations of the b-ball season and the coach. Ever since brooks left the girls have had nothing good to say about basketball besides when it was over. On top of it the new arrangement with the jv team has some of the varsity parents of the girls (And some of the girls on team) who got moved down upset (no suprise). And another surprise: of course there an attempt to get a angry mob to get rid of the varsity boys coach and some angry girls parents complaining to get rid of the girls coach. Sounds stereotypical to me but you dont just make this stuff up. Of course what the district needs to remember, once you get rid of a coach there's always worse out there**

The girls coach I believe can stay, she does know more than how to get dressed up, like many people think is the only thing she can do. Yeah so some of the things she does is questionable, but in some games I have heard her tell the girls some smart things. I sat close enough to her at some of the games, the one that comes to mind the most is the ottoville game last year when the girls had one of the closest, if not the closest, game ottoville had until state and she made some good decisions. However I'm not gonna speak for any other coach in the district as I don't know any more than hear-say.

How can you be going downhill since the beginning of the season unless the expectations were set too high?

[NW Ohio Guy]

Or they lost the first two games of the season,and you don't go up hill for losing

[Maltese Falcon]

NWOhiosports50-

PG right now is an average to above average girls basketball team to say you are " Shocked" seems a little extreme. Maybe disappointed or underwhelmed........but shocked would mean a team is 10+ wins/ losses above or below where most people would have predicted.

[TiGgEr3]

That "average" team will take on Continental tonight at 7pm. Heading up there now to call the game, hit me up on twitter if any of you will be there @michaelhirnpbp

www.zsportslive.com is the broadcast online or on your tunein ap

[oldlefty]

I feel bad for all the kids at P-G. Parents need to learn to let their kids fight their own battles and let the administration do their job. The administration needs to learn not to try and please a few select parents and stand behind their faculty. They are not there to make everyone happy, they are there to run a school. A lot of good people in the district, just need to learn to ALL work together. I have said it on here before, Winning sports programs is not really top priority for the community. Although it is nice and sometimes brings the community together,most in the community don't share the passion for sports like most of the readers on here.

[pclbvc11]

PG is playing some great ball as of late winning over Kalida and Continental. I wouldn't want to play this team in tournaments, never know what team you will be up against, the team that has battled and took Leipsic in to OT or the team that got thrashed by a young Arlington team. I will agree I wouldnt say shocked about the season but not making some peoples expectations possibly. Good Luck to all area teams as they enter the tourny.

[Common Sense]

PG is what about we thought they'd be, no more, no less. I agree, they'll be a tough out in the tournament as they have at least 4 who've played significant minutes for 3 seasons. Ottawa sectional not extremely difficult.

[TiGgEr3]

It's interesting to me that a team who relies on the deep ball going down to win shoots such a low percentage (24 as a team) but have been able to hit KEY triples lately.

You guys are right, they'll be a TOUGH out as they play hard and scrappy.

[DonnyDonuts]

I heard Pandora with a nice win over a very good Carey team today.