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[Rocketman]

pokercat, on 15 January 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Just read this topic,so had to borrow my friends account to post. out of the 5 starters this year 1 came in 7th grade,2 in 8th grade,1 in 9th grade,and 1 been there forever.Think the entire bench has been in catholic schools forever,except 1 came from Shawnee in 7th?grade..Now those are the facts.

Thank you......I think that is what the people were looking.

Clutch,
If you glean through my past posts I think you'll not find any of mine accusing LSCC of recruiting..and absolutely sure no student-athletes names were mentioned.....in the past, anytime a name was associated with my musings, it had to do with "legal" stuff.....

[clutch]

Rocketman, on 11 January 2014 - 07:37 PM, said:

LOL .........Dawg, not sure the reason for my "fixation" as you'd like to call it.....the only reason I mention this is because when a manager, boss, coach, etc. are provided with all the ingredients for success and continually come up short one thing usually happens.......the person in charge is held accountable for the lack of profit, efficiency, or sales...........you sound like an intelligent poster and I know you understand what I'm trying to say....

What are you "trying to say" here?

[clutch]

Rocketman, on 15 January 2014 - 03:21 PM, said:

Thank you......I think that is what the people were looking.

Clutch,
If you glean through my past posts I think you'll not find any of mine accusing LSCC of recruiting..and absolutely sure no student-athletes names were mentioned.....in the past, anytime a name was associated with my musings, it had to do with "legal" stuff.....

You insinuate recruiting and attack every coach. As predicted, youre going to tip toe your way around once again.

[Irish Viking 87]

pokercat, on 15 January 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Just read this topic,so had to borrow my friends account to post. out of the 5 starters this year 1 came in 7th grade,2 in 8th grade,1 in 9th grade,and 1 been there forever.Think the entire bench has been in catholic schools forever,except 1 came from Shawnee in 7th?grade..Now those are the facts.

Thank you. Been asking for that for a long time. Seems people 'in the know" couldn't produce that.

Bobby, on 15 January 2014 - 12:52 PM, said:

How about if someone comes up with PROOF that LCC does recruit? I've yet to see it. And if you have it, send it to the OHSAA.

clutch, on 15 January 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

I'm waiting on the material to disprove.

Or are you saying these kids were recruited for football and basketball in pre school, elementary and jr high? When you accuse someone of something, usually you have proof to defend your theory. What is yours?

Can either of you honestly say that if Coach Q was the head coach at Lima Senior, those kids would be at LCC. You can call it recruiting, the voucher system, or hiding under the cloak of doing what's best for the kids(although not the whole family), traditional Catholic students start in kindergarten and continue until they graduate. They don't wait until they get to the age of playing organized school sports to start attending a private school.

As long as the voucher system exists and private schools have no boundries for their districts, there will be no proof. But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well then?????

[clutch]

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Thank you. Been asking for that for a long time. Seems people 'in the know" couldn't produce that.[size=4]

Can either of you honestly say that if Coach Q was the head coach at Lima Senior, those kids would be at LCC. You can call it recruiting, the voucher system, or hiding under the cloak of doing what's best for the kids(although not the whole family), traditional Catholic students start in kindergarten and continue until they graduate. They don't wait until they get to the age of playing organized school sports to start attending a private school.

As long as the voucher system exists and private schools have no boundries for their districts, there will be no proof. But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well then?????

Did you know one of these kids attended a different PRIVATE school before attending catholic schools? Which highschool does he "belong"?.
Yes most of them would stay at lcc. For the ones who didnt, if you coached at a different school dont you think your child and his friends would want to come play for you? Not to mention you've been coaching them in aau their whole lives. Good example though...

[dw629]

pokercat, on 15 January 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Just read this topic,so had to borrow my friends account to post. out of the 5 starters this year 1 came in 7th grade,2 in 8th grade,1 in 9th grade,and 1 been there forever.Think the entire bench has been in catholic schools forever,except 1 came from Shawnee in 7th?grade..Now those are the facts.

And Darius West a Junior starter last year came in 8th? I believe but is hurt and not messing with his D1 football career this basketball season.

[clutch]

dw629, on 15 January 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

And Darius West a Junior starter last year came in 8th? I believe but is hurt and not messing with his D1 football career this basketball season.

Lol so what? Was he "recruited" to come over in 8th grade to play football?

[Bobby]

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 03:52 PM, said:

Thank you. Been asking for that for a long time. Seems people 'in the know" couldn't produce that.[size=4]

Can either of you honestly say that if Coach Q was the head coach at Lima Senior, those kids would be at LCC. You can call it recruiting, the voucher system, or hiding under the cloak of doing what's best for the kids(although not the whole family), traditional Catholic students start in kindergarten and continue until they graduate. They don't wait until they get to the age of playing organized school sports to start attending a private school.

As long as the voucher system exists and private schools have no boundries for their districts, there will be no proof. But if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well then?????

I have no idea if they'd still be at Lima Senior or not. You can claim they would but what shred of proof do you have to back up that claim? This site is thick with "I heard..." or "Somebody said..." or "Well, everybody knows..." but precious little proof or truth. If this whole recruiting thing is so obvious then there should be plenty of proof out there.

[Irish Viking 87]

clutch, on 15 January 2014 - 04:05 PM, said:

Did you know one of these kids attended a different PRIVATE school before attending catholic schools? Which highschool does he "belong"?.
Yes most of them would stay at lcc. For the ones who didnt, if you coached at a different school dont you think your child and his friends would want to come play for you? Not to mention you've been coaching them in aau their whole lives. Good example though...

You just made my point for me. LCC is no better than the team from Dayton that Elida lost to two years ago in Columbus. A glorified AAU team. Thank you for making my point.

Edited by Irish Viking 87, 15 January 2014 - 05:22 PM.

[Irish Viking 87]

Bobby, on 15 January 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

I have no idea if they'd still be at Lima Senior or not. You can claim they would but what shred of proof do you have to back up that claim? This site is thick with "I heard..." or "Somebody said..." or "Well, everybody knows..." but precious little proof or truth. If this whole recruiting thing is so obvious then there should be plenty of proof out there.

Bobby,

Please re-read my second to last sentence in the previous post. LCC (and other private schools) play a game with some of the rules set by an LCC alum.I understand that Mr. Huffman is in his last year because of term limits. I wonder what happens to the voucher system without his influence.

[clutch]

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

You just made my point for me. LCC is no better than the team from Dayton that Elida lost to two years ago in Columbus. A glorified AAU team. Thank you for making my point.

Ha you need all the help you can get.

[Rd2Glory]

Ha! Irish Viking coming in hard with the ol' make-an-accusation-then-demand-that-the-other side-prove-it-wrong approach. Well played sir!

If Quincy was the coach at Shawnee, or Elida, or Perry, or any other local school, I'm sure Xavier would attend that school as well, and, who knows, maybe one or two other kids that want to play for coach Q would follow as well. Did LCC "recruit" each of these kids from Shawnee, Elida, Perry, Bath, AND LSH in your opinion?

You want people "in the know" to "post the facts." Are you asking someone to just give you the biography of every player on the team?

The problem is this is a forum mainly filled with people from one high school towns. It seems everyone here believes that "traditional Catholic students start in kindergarten and continue until they graduate." Well, here's a news flash, that's not how it works. I went through the Lima Catholic Schools and had plenty of kids transferring in and out every year for a number of reasons. Heck, there are plenty of "traditional Catholic families" that have had some kids go to LCC and others attending Shawnee or Elida or some other school. In fact, last year there was a Stolly girl that graduated from Shawnee after attending St. Charles and then LCC! There are also the Pajkas, the Crows, the Sankos, and plenty of others that have had some kids graduate from one school and another kid graduate from another. Those are all "traditional Catholic, LCC families," did those schools recruit their children away? (the answer is NO). When people have options, they aren't required to send their kid to the same school for 12 or 13 straight years. They can (and will) do whatever they believe to be best for their kid and their family.

I really don't get why it's so hard for some of you to fathom that a kid does not "belong" to some school from K-12th grade.

[Irish Viking 87]

Rd2Glory, on 15 January 2014 - 05:38 PM, said:

Ha! Irish Viking coming in hard with the ol' make-an-accusation-then-demand-that-the-other side-prove-it-wrong approach. Well played sir!

If Quincy was the coach at Shawnee, or Elida, or Perry, or any other local school, I'm sure Xavier would attend that school as well, and, who knows, maybe one or two other kids that want to play for coach Q would follow as well. Did LCC "recruit" each of these kids from Shawnee, Elida, Perry, Bath, AND LSH in your opinion?

You want people "in the know" to "post the facts." Are you asking someone to just give you the biography of every player on the team?

The problem is this is a forum mainly filled with people from one high school towns. It seems everyone here believes that "traditional Catholic students start in kindergarten and continue until they graduate." Well, here's a news flash, that's not how it works. I went through the Lima Catholic Schools and had plenty of kids transferring in and out every year for a number of reasons. Heck, there are plenty of "traditional Catholic families" that have had some kids go to LCC and others attending Shawnee or Elida or some other school. In fact, last year there was a Stolly girl that graduated from Shawnee after attending St. Charles and then LCC! There are also the Pajkas, the Crows, the Sankos, and plenty of others that have had some kids graduate from one school and another kid graduate from another. Those are all "traditional Catholic, LCC families," did those schools recruit their children away? (the answer is NO). When people have options, they aren't required to send their kid to the same school for 12 or 13 straight years. They can (and will) do whatever they believe to be best for their kid and their family.

I really don't get why it's so hard for some of you to fathom that a kid does not "belong" to some school from K-12th grade.

I actually asked for the proof a month or two ago.I don't believe I've used the words "recruit" and "LCC" in the same sentence before today. It's been kind of slow on the Corner lately, thought I would try to stir things up by using the dreaded "R" word. From clutch and Bobby's reaction, I would say it worked.

If Coach Q was a coach at one of the other schools that you mentioned and the kids went to play for him and didn't live in that district, then I would have a problem with that school also.

I really don't have a problem with LCC. .Great school, that turns out great kids.The OHSAA has a set of rules and LCC plays by them. I may not think the playing field is even, but that's not LCC's fault. I completely agree with doing what's best for your children.I hope the education they get at LCC prepares them for what's really important. The rest of their lives. It's no doubt they will gain many more advantages from an education at LCC, than Lima Senior.The difference between the kids you mentioned leaving LCC for another school is they didn't have a voucher to attend their new school. Before anyone goes off, I'm not saying all the kids we are talking about use vouchers. It may be all, or just some. Difference is, the education is being paid for. Again, if it affords the kids better opportunities in life, good for them.

I guess my problem personally, lies with Coach Kill and Coach Q. I really don't care for either one and this is where this whole thread lies. I didn't care for Buzzy in high school. His antics then, are pretty close to what you see on the court now. As far as Coach Q, he's always seemed like a snake oil salesman to me. He doesn't get his way at Senior, and instead of staying on and helping the kids and program, he quits, Things don't go his way with the Explosion, and he quits. He advertises a charity basketball game with Allen Iverson, and Iverson is a no-show.(he says he was misled, but for something that big for this area' it should of been confirmed better than what it was). And last but not least, he runs camps for under-priviledged inner-city kids and then charges them to attend. Why not go out and find sponsors for these camps so it doesn't cost the kids anything.

Again, no real problem with LCC, they are just a by-product of the under-lying theme of this thread.

[Bobby]

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 05:29 PM, said:

Bobby,

Please re-read my second to last sentence in the previous post. LCC (and other private schools) play a game with some of the rules set by an LCC alum. I understand that Mr. Huffman is in his last year because of term limits. I wonder what happens to the voucher system without his influence.

What "game" do private schools play? First, vouchers can only be awarded to students at schools that are failing. Private schools have no say or influence in who gets vouchers or what school those students attend. The vast majority of voucher students transfer for academic or reasons other than sports.
As for the voucher program after Huffman leaves, why would it change? It wasn't implemented by one person.

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

The difference between the kids you mentioned leaving LCC for another school is they didn't have a voucher to attend their new school.

The kids who left for other schools have their education paid for as well.

[chalk_it_up]

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

You just made my point for me. LCC is no better than the team from Dayton that Elida lost to two years ago in Columbus. A glorified AAU team. Thank you for making my point.

5 of Elida's Top 9 players that year didn't start high school at Elida. Did they recruit them?

(It's a rhetorical question. I don't expect you to know the answer to that, as you obviously have very little factual information to base your nonsensical opinions off of, but thought I should point out that you can save your B.S. response.)

[dawgbone]

whodey, on 14 January 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:

Why doesn't someone in the know just lay it out there. so when did each one of these kids enter into the catholic school system? I was at a game over the holidays but have no clue..All I was told by a friend was 4 of the starting 5 could be Lima Sr starters(and 5 of 5 if another kid would of played,but didn't because of a football scholarship?)..Glad this didn't happen when I went to school, I would never of seen the floor..(Barely did anyways)

The only player to come to the Catholic school system as a Freshman was, I believe, Kimbrough. All the others played on the LCC Jr. High basketball team for at least 1 year, meaning they went to either St. Charles, St. Gerard, or St. Rose and then to LCC.

[mysteryman2014]

Irish Viking 87, on 15 January 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I actually asked for the proof a month or two ago.I don't believe I've used the words "recruit" and "LCC" in the same sentence before today. It's been kind of slow on the Corner lately, thought I would try to stir things up by using the dreaded "R" word. From clutch and Bobby's reaction, I would say it worked.

If Coach Q was a coach at one of the other schools that you mentioned and the kids went to play for him and didn't live in that district, then I would have a problem with that school also.

I really don't have a problem with LCC. .Great school, that turns out great kids.The OHSAA has a set of rules and LCC plays by them. I may not think the playing field is even, but that's not LCC's fault. I completely agree with doing what's best for your children.I hope the education they get at LCC prepares them for what's really important. The rest of their lives. It's no doubt they will gain many more advantages from an education at LCC, than Lima Senior.The difference between the kids you mentioned leaving LCC for another school is they didn't have a voucher to attend their new school. Before anyone goes off, I'm not saying all the kids we are talking about use vouchers. It may be all, or just some. Difference is, the education is being paid for. Again, if it affords the kids better opportunities in life, good for them.

I guess my problem personally, lies with Coach Kill and Coach Q. I really don't care for either one and this is where this whole thread lies. I didn't care for Buzzy in high school. His antics then, are pretty close to what you see on the court now. As far as Coach Q, he's always seemed like a snake oil salesman to me. He doesn't get his way at Senior, and instead of staying on and helping the kids and program, he quits, Things don't go his way with the Explosion, and he quits. He advertises a charity basketball game with Allen Iverson, and Iverson is a no-show.(he says he was misled, but for something that big for this area' it should of been confirmed better than what it was). And last but not least, he runs camps for under-priviledged inner-city kids and then charges them to attend. Why not go out and find sponsors for these camps so it doesn't cost the kids anything.

Again, no real problem with LCC, they are just a by-product of the under-lying theme of this thread.

Well so you think you know Quincy?
i have know idea about Kill and really dont care.
But Quincy is for real. I personally know the Iverson thing was all mis led. And he felt extremely bad for it.
As far as his clinics go and camps go. If you have the money and or family has money then you pay. But i guarantee you if you dont have money you are still going if you want to. He nevers keeps a kid out of something because they dont have money. Never have i seen this and i have been involved with him for 6 yrs now. So where do you get a snake from? Lima Senior what did you want him to do? He should have been the Varsity Coach and instead they blew him off. He would have that team rolling right now. Especially with the talent they have. I have seen Quincy help many people without means to pay for clinics or camps. I know if you are really short on money and come to his clinics he will let you and continue to let you. The thing about Quincy is he will help you until you dont want it or mess it up. And matter of fact unless you know him or have personally seen him push somebody away where do you get off disrespecting him like that. Do you even know how much he has done for Lima? Heck the surrounding area to? He and likes of Warren Pughsley, Chris Jackson, and Radar have done so much for our area. with the help of Don, Pilate, Lemar, Greg, and several others have done an outstanding job. They have gave up time and money. I know between them for shoes, tourneys, rooms, travel, they have put in thousands of own money.So if you want to disprespet him please do so in private. i take it your not from Lima otherwise you would know the good far outweighs the bad.

[mysteryman2014]

So I guess after my comments to his disrespecting of Quincy yesterday Irish viking 87 or whatever has no reply??????????????????????

[Irish Viking 87]

mysteryman2014, on 21 January 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

So I guess after my comments to his disrespecting of Quincy yesterday Irish viking 87 or whatever has no reply??????????????????????

No just was busy yesterday and didn't have time to log on.

First of all, where I come from there is a difference between an opinion and disrespect. I stated my opinion. You don't have to like it but I voiced mine. I can tell your a Quincy guy and your opinion differs from mine. That's fine. That's what RC is about.

Secondly,a lot of Quincy backers say that he should of been the coach at Lima Senior. If he was supposed to be the coach, why wasn't he named the coach? He may well have them rolling right now, but they would have much more talent than Shawn has right now.

As far as camps and helping kids, from your post you say he has put up thousands of his own money for "shoes, tourneys, rooms, and travel" That's all good for the star players. What about the kid that isn't very good and just want to attend camp. How many kids that aren't stars get help?

And finally,you say I would know that the good far outweighs the bad. When dealing with kids, I say there should NEVER be any bad.

[caldwell]

State or else for Kill, is what I am hearing.