I have no dog in this fight! I'm a fan of both Wapak and SM. I have tried to answer these questions to the best of my knowledge.
1. Was he a paid member of the Wapak football staff? Exactly when is/was his contract completed?
-Contracts are complete at the conclusion of the season. Head Coaches are complete when all equipment, forms, and requests are done per the AD.
Yet, that staff is still responsible for the off-season workouts, correct? It would be interesting to see if there is any type of stipend or payement received by the football coaches for offseason weight room monitoring. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
2. If so, has he formally informed the administration at Wapak that he is resigning from his coaching position?
-Normally school boards will not "officially" approve your coaching contract until the spring for the next season ahead. Most coaches will have a verbal intent conversation with the AD.
I'd suggest that if the SM board has decided that it will indeed be Coach Frye and his posse, that they go ahead and officially hire them if they want them being any part of the current weight room activities. It would also seem the honorable thing to resign from the Wapak position so that they might begin their HC search process.
3. Has he been officially hired as a member of the SM football staff yet?
-I don't believe anyone has been hired. Must have board approval.
So he has no legal basis to be in that weight room other than as an official guest or observer. Got it.
4. If not, does he and the SM administration understand that he can not legally be in the weight room, and the liability issues that are possible?
-Yes he can be. As long as he is not supervising the weight room. If a board approved assistant or strength coach is supervising, then you may have "visitors" stop by and check out the facilities.
If a current SM staff member is with Bo or anyone else not on the staf it's ok, as long as they are an "observer". Got it.
5. To my knowledge no one is allowed to volunteer as a coach of any sport without certification and board approval at any high school in Ohio. Not Jim Tressel, not Jon Gruden, not Jim Brown nor Dean Pees. No one.
-Yes most schools demand a board certified coach supervise a practice, off-season activity, etc. Stopping by the weight room and talking to players (if that is what it was) is no different than bringing in a guest speaker. Especially if it's the AD who is bringing them by.
I would suggest that if he is instructing the young men in any way that he is in fact acting as a volunteer coach. It would seem to be the definition of being a volunteer, which should require board certification. Am I missing something? Otherwise, there would never be a need to have volunteer coaches be certified, would there? They could always be tagged as "visitors" and not have to jump through the hoops.
6. Are the SM parents aware that this is happening? I for one would be hesitant to entrust the safety of my son to a young man who has not been hired by the school, has extremely limited experience in working with high school athletes, and is not legally able to act in any official capacity in or around the school with minors? Especially if I have not had an opportunity to meet the person at any point.
- Again I would ask are they supervising? Stopping by? One time? Multiple times? A lot is left unknown.
Agreed. Beezer?
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1. Was he a paid member of the Wapak football staff? Exactly when is/was his contract completed?
-Contracts are complete at the conclusion of the season. Head Coaches are complete when all equipment, forms, and requests are done per the AD.
Yet, that staff is still responsible for the off-season workouts, correct? It would be interesting to see if there is any type of stipend or payement received by the football coaches for offseason weight room monitoring. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
Off-season stipends must be board approved...has he been approved at Wapak for this?
2. If so, has he formally informed the administration at Wapak that he is resigning from his coaching position?
-Normally school boards will not "officially" approve your coaching contract until the spring for the next season ahead. Most coaches will have a verbal intent conversation with the AD.
I'd suggest that if the SM board has decided that it will indeed be Coach Frye and his posse, that they go ahead and officially hire them if they want them being any part of the current weight room activities. It would also seem the honorable thing to resign from the Wapak position so that they might begin their HC search process.
I agree. My guess is that he wants to make sure that he will be board approved first, if he really is going back to SM.
3. Has he been officially hired as a member of the SM football staff yet?
-I don't believe anyone has been hired. Must have board approval.
So he has no legal basis to be in that weight room other than as an official guest or observer. Got it.
That would be true...guest or observer,
4. If not, does he and the SM administration understand that he can not legally be in the weight room, and the liability issues that are possible?
-Yes he can be. As long as he is not supervising the weight room. If a board approved assistant or strength coach is supervising, then you may have "visitors" stop by and check out the facilities.
If a current SM staff member is with Bo or anyone else not on the staf it's ok, as long as they are an "observer". Got it.
I think the key question is how many times has he "observed"? I am guessing it was the one time. If it was more, then yes they need to get board approved especially if they intend on doing ANY instructing.
5. To my knowledge no one is allowed to volunteer as a coach of any sport without certification and board approval at any high school in Ohio. Not Jim Tressel, not Jon Gruden, not Jim Brown nor Dean Pees. No one.
-Yes most schools demand a board certified coach supervise a practice, off-season activity, etc. Stopping by the weight room and talking to players (if that is what it was) is no different than bringing in a guest speaker. Especially if it's the AD who is bringing them by.
I would suggest that if he is instructing the young men in any way that he is in fact acting as a volunteer coach. It would seem to be the definition of being a volunteer, which should require board certification. Am I missing something? Otherwise, there would never be a need to have volunteer coaches be certified, would there? They could always be tagged as "visitors" and not have to jump through the hoops.
Agreed. I would draw the line either when he showed up a 2nd time or he began instructing.
6. Are the SM parents aware that this is happening? I for one would be hesitant to entrust the safety of my son to a young man who has not been hired by the school, has extremely limited experience in working with high school athletes, and is not legally able to act in any official capacity in or around the school with minors? Especially if I have not had an opportunity to meet the person at any point.
- Again I would ask are they supervising? Stopping by? One time? Multiple times? A lot is left unknown.
Agreed. Beezer? Beezer please?
-Contracts are complete at the conclusion of the season. Head Coaches are complete when all equipment, forms, and requests are done per the AD.
Yet, that staff is still responsible for the off-season workouts, correct? It would be interesting to see if there is any type of stipend or payement received by the football coaches for offseason weight room monitoring. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
Off-season stipends must be board approved...has he been approved at Wapak for this?
2. If so, has he formally informed the administration at Wapak that he is resigning from his coaching position?
-Normally school boards will not "officially" approve your coaching contract until the spring for the next season ahead. Most coaches will have a verbal intent conversation with the AD.
I'd suggest that if the SM board has decided that it will indeed be Coach Frye and his posse, that they go ahead and officially hire them if they want them being any part of the current weight room activities. It would also seem the honorable thing to resign from the Wapak position so that they might begin their HC search process.
I agree. My guess is that he wants to make sure that he will be board approved first, if he really is going back to SM.
3. Has he been officially hired as a member of the SM football staff yet?
-I don't believe anyone has been hired. Must have board approval.
So he has no legal basis to be in that weight room other than as an official guest or observer. Got it.
That would be true...guest or observer,
4. If not, does he and the SM administration understand that he can not legally be in the weight room, and the liability issues that are possible?
-Yes he can be. As long as he is not supervising the weight room. If a board approved assistant or strength coach is supervising, then you may have "visitors" stop by and check out the facilities.
If a current SM staff member is with Bo or anyone else not on the staf it's ok, as long as they are an "observer". Got it.
I think the key question is how many times has he "observed"? I am guessing it was the one time. If it was more, then yes they need to get board approved especially if they intend on doing ANY instructing.
5. To my knowledge no one is allowed to volunteer as a coach of any sport without certification and board approval at any high school in Ohio. Not Jim Tressel, not Jon Gruden, not Jim Brown nor Dean Pees. No one.
-Yes most schools demand a board certified coach supervise a practice, off-season activity, etc. Stopping by the weight room and talking to players (if that is what it was) is no different than bringing in a guest speaker. Especially if it's the AD who is bringing them by.
I would suggest that if he is instructing the young men in any way that he is in fact acting as a volunteer coach. It would seem to be the definition of being a volunteer, which should require board certification. Am I missing something? Otherwise, there would never be a need to have volunteer coaches be certified, would there? They could always be tagged as "visitors" and not have to jump through the hoops.
Agreed. I would draw the line either when he showed up a 2nd time or he began instructing.
6. Are the SM parents aware that this is happening? I for one would be hesitant to entrust the safety of my son to a young man who has not been hired by the school, has extremely limited experience in working with high school athletes, and is not legally able to act in any official capacity in or around the school with minors? Especially if I have not had an opportunity to meet the person at any point.
- Again I would ask are they supervising? Stopping by? One time? Multiple times? A lot is left unknown.
Agreed. Beezer? Beezer please?
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Perhaps we already have our answer, via Beezer in an earlier post:
"A st. marys kid was talking about Bo being in the weight room helping the kids with lifting."
I'd be interested whether there is any official mention in the minutes of the public board meetings of Bo Frye being hired in any capacity by the SM board, and if not wonder why this is allowed to happen.
Likely Frye Sr. feels that it is a done deal and asked an administrator at SM such as the AD or principal if it would be all right if Bo came in and started working with the kids and they said sure. I'm even more curious if there is a current member of the SM staff in the weight room with Bo or not.
"A st. marys kid was talking about Bo being in the weight room helping the kids with lifting."
I'd be interested whether there is any official mention in the minutes of the public board meetings of Bo Frye being hired in any capacity by the SM board, and if not wonder why this is allowed to happen.
Likely Frye Sr. feels that it is a done deal and asked an administrator at SM such as the AD or principal if it would be all right if Bo came in and started working with the kids and they said sure. I'm even more curious if there is a current member of the SM staff in the weight room with Bo or not.
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Who cares who is running the weight room at St. Mary's. You people need to get a life. It amazes me that a person on a message board says i heard this was happing and with no knowledge everyone makes assumptions and gives crazy conclusions based on a rumor. No way in hell would anyone in roughrider land stop anyone from that family from being on campus. It is time for wapak fans to move on and be happy said family made you relevant again
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Warren, on 02 January 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:
1. Was he a paid member of the Wapak football staff? Exactly when is/was his contract completed?
-Contracts are complete at the conclusion of the season. Head Coaches are complete when all equipment, forms, and requests are done per the AD.
Yet, that staff is still responsible for the off-season workouts, correct? It would be interesting to see if there is any type of stipend or payement received by the football coaches for offseason weight room monitoring. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
Off-season stipends must be board approved...has he been approved at Wapak for this?
2. If so, has he formally informed the administration at Wapak that he is resigning from his coaching position?
-Normally school boards will not "officially" approve your coaching contract until the spring for the next season ahead. Most coaches will have a verbal intent conversation with the AD.
I'd suggest that if the SM board has decided that it will indeed be Coach Frye and his posse, that they go ahead and officially hire them if they want them being any part of the current weight room activities. It would also seem the honorable thing to resign from the Wapak position so that they might begin their HC search process.
I agree. My guess is that he wants to make sure that he will be board approved first, if he really is going back to SM.
3. Has he been officially hired as a member of the SM football staff yet?
-I don't believe anyone has been hired. Must have board approval.
So he has no legal basis to be in that weight room other than as an official guest or observer. Got it.
That would be true...guest or observer,
4. If not, does he and the SM administration understand that he can not legally be in the weight room, and the liability issues that are possible?
-Yes he can be. As long as he is not supervising the weight room. If a board approved assistant or strength coach is supervising, then you may have "visitors" stop by and check out the facilities.
If a current SM staff member is with Bo or anyone else not on the staf it's ok, as long as they are an "observer". Got it.
I think the key question is how many times has he "observed"? I am guessing it was the one time. If it was more, then yes they need to get board approved especially if they intend on doing ANY instructing.
5. To my knowledge no one is allowed to volunteer as a coach of any sport without certification and board approval at any high school in Ohio. Not Jim Tressel, not Jon Gruden, not Jim Brown nor Dean Pees. No one.
-Yes most schools demand a board certified coach supervise a practice, off-season activity, etc. Stopping by the weight room and talking to players (if that is what it was) is no different than bringing in a guest speaker. Especially if it's the AD who is bringing them by.
I would suggest that if he is instructing the young men in any way that he is in fact acting as a volunteer coach. It would seem to be the definition of being a volunteer, which should require board certification. Am I missing something? Otherwise, there would never be a need to have volunteer coaches be certified, would there? They could always be tagged as "visitors" and not have to jump through the hoops.
Agreed. I would draw the line either when he showed up a 2nd time or he began instructing.
6. Are the SM parents aware that this is happening? I for one would be hesitant to entrust the safety of my son to a young man who has not been hired by the school, has extremely limited experience in working with high school athletes, and is not legally able to act in any official capacity in or around the school with minors? Especially if I have not had an opportunity to meet the person at any point.
- Again I would ask are they supervising? Stopping by? One time? Multiple times? A lot is left unknown.
Agreed. Beezer? Beezer please?
-Contracts are complete at the conclusion of the season. Head Coaches are complete when all equipment, forms, and requests are done per the AD.
Yet, that staff is still responsible for the off-season workouts, correct? It would be interesting to see if there is any type of stipend or payement received by the football coaches for offseason weight room monitoring. I'm sure you can see where I'm going with this.
Off-season stipends must be board approved...has he been approved at Wapak for this?
2. If so, has he formally informed the administration at Wapak that he is resigning from his coaching position?
-Normally school boards will not "officially" approve your coaching contract until the spring for the next season ahead. Most coaches will have a verbal intent conversation with the AD.
I'd suggest that if the SM board has decided that it will indeed be Coach Frye and his posse, that they go ahead and officially hire them if they want them being any part of the current weight room activities. It would also seem the honorable thing to resign from the Wapak position so that they might begin their HC search process.
I agree. My guess is that he wants to make sure that he will be board approved first, if he really is going back to SM.
3. Has he been officially hired as a member of the SM football staff yet?
-I don't believe anyone has been hired. Must have board approval.
So he has no legal basis to be in that weight room other than as an official guest or observer. Got it.
That would be true...guest or observer,
4. If not, does he and the SM administration understand that he can not legally be in the weight room, and the liability issues that are possible?
-Yes he can be. As long as he is not supervising the weight room. If a board approved assistant or strength coach is supervising, then you may have "visitors" stop by and check out the facilities.
If a current SM staff member is with Bo or anyone else not on the staf it's ok, as long as they are an "observer". Got it.
I think the key question is how many times has he "observed"? I am guessing it was the one time. If it was more, then yes they need to get board approved especially if they intend on doing ANY instructing.
5. To my knowledge no one is allowed to volunteer as a coach of any sport without certification and board approval at any high school in Ohio. Not Jim Tressel, not Jon Gruden, not Jim Brown nor Dean Pees. No one.
-Yes most schools demand a board certified coach supervise a practice, off-season activity, etc. Stopping by the weight room and talking to players (if that is what it was) is no different than bringing in a guest speaker. Especially if it's the AD who is bringing them by.
I would suggest that if he is instructing the young men in any way that he is in fact acting as a volunteer coach. It would seem to be the definition of being a volunteer, which should require board certification. Am I missing something? Otherwise, there would never be a need to have volunteer coaches be certified, would there? They could always be tagged as "visitors" and not have to jump through the hoops.
Agreed. I would draw the line either when he showed up a 2nd time or he began instructing.
6. Are the SM parents aware that this is happening? I for one would be hesitant to entrust the safety of my son to a young man who has not been hired by the school, has extremely limited experience in working with high school athletes, and is not legally able to act in any official capacity in or around the school with minors? Especially if I have not had an opportunity to meet the person at any point.
- Again I would ask are they supervising? Stopping by? One time? Multiple times? A lot is left unknown.
Agreed. Beezer? Beezer please?
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whatdoiknow, on 02 January 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:
Who cares who is running the weight room at St. Mary's. You people need to get a life. It amazes me that a person on a message board says i heard this was happing and with no knowledge everyone makes assumptions and gives crazy conclusions based on a rumor. No way in hell would anyone in roughrider land stop anyone from that family from being on campus. It is time for wapak fans to move on and be happy said family made you relevant again
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whatdoiknow, on 02 January 2014 - 10:17 PM, said:
Who cares who is running the weight room at St. Mary's. You people need to get a life. It amazes me that a person on a message board says i heard this was happing and with no knowledge everyone makes assumptions and gives crazy conclusions based on a rumor. No way in hell would anyone in roughrider land stop anyone from that family from being on campus. It is time for wapak fans to move on and be happy said family made you relevant again
The state of Ohio cares who is running the weight room. The state of Ohio has very clear rules about what steps a high school coach - paid or unpaid - must do to be cleared to work with kids. I think they have to get a background check and be approved by the school board to act in an official capacity on SM school grounds.
If a young man seriously hurts himself under the direction of an unauthorized person in the SM weight room - and the administration knowingly allowed this to take place, they are exposing themselves to a massive lawsuit which they will likely lose, not to mention the jobs of those that allow this situation to take place. That AD needs to rectify this situation as his job and career will be first on the chopping block.
I know that in your world that Bo Frye and the entire Frye family are legends and that SM football people are so happy to have them back that in your mind, they need to start working on making the team better ASAP, rules or no rules. Unfortunately the state of Ohio requires more from a young man in his early twenties that wants to "help out" in the weight room other than just having lived there previously and that he was a good football player.
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It doesn't seem like Coach Frye to just leave Wapak hanging. I feel like if he knew he was going back to St. Marys he would let Wapak know of his plans so they could move forward.
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I would not at all be surprised if he left Wapak hanging.
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In my world? Way to jump to conclusions again. Please show me where ohio has a rule about off season weightlifting supervision.
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whatdoiknow, on 03 January 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:
In my world? Way to jump to conclusions again. Please show me where ohio has a rule about off season weightlifting supervision.
If your supervising students in any setting... well you better have your ducks in a row if something goes wrong.
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Sorry I seemed to have gotten everyone off the true subject. Who is Wapak's next head coach?
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the_beezer, on 03 January 2014 - 10:06 PM, said:
Sorry I seemed to have gotten everyone off the true subject. Who is Wapak's next head coach?
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Week 10 All-American, on 03 January 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:
Mike Cramer- built Marion Local into what they are today.
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I talked to a guy from Marion who's son played and he said Goodwin built Marion into what it is today.
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Week 10 All-American, on 03 January 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:
Mike Cramer- built Marion Local into what they are today.
No he didn't.
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Hound Dog, on 03 January 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:
No he didn't.
Week 10 All-American, on 03 January 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:
Mike Cramer- built Marion Local into what they are today.
the_beezer, on 03 January 2014 - 10:58 PM, said:
Anymore info on him.
the_beezer, on 03 January 2014 - 11:05 PM, said:
I talked to a guy from Marion who's son played and he said Goodwin built Marion into what it is today.
Hound Dog, on 03 January 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:
No he didn't.
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Did Bo coach at Wapak this year? If so, he should have all the current legal state requirements met for his weight room walk thru at St Mary's.
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Yes Bo was on his fathers staff this past season.
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