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[brunowball]

Osu4me, on 12 November 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Poker cat, I know nearly every one of them basketball parents and I can tell you if LSH didn't have the problems they have with low test scores....them kids would still be at LSH. They did not transfer in to be coached by a LCC coach.

So they were academic standouts at LSH? If they were, what were the complaints about low test scores? If they were struggling academically, what will a move to LCC (which is often considered more difficult) do?

It just seems more likely to believe they joined up at a smaller school to dominate in athletics.

[dw629]

Osu4me, on 12 November 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

Poker cat, I know nearly every one of them basketball parents and I can tell you if LSH didn't have the problems they have with low test scores....them kids would still be at LSH. They did not transfer in to be coached by a LCC coach.

I can tell you for 100% fact that more than one kid went on a visit to LCC with LCC hs coaches while in JH at city schools and home visits have happened on more than one occasion. There is no arguing this because it was straight from horses (plural) mouth and on those visits LCC would talk to parents about LSH struggles academically and athletically. Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic? You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? You my friend are blind if you believe they just happened to transfer there kid to LCC randomly in 7th or 8th grade for academics.

[Rd2Glory]

dw629, on 12 November 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

I can tell you for 100% fact that more than one kid went on a visit to LCC with LCC hs coaches while in JH at city schools and home visits have happened on more than one occasion. There is no arguing this because it was straight from horses (plural) mouth and on those visits LCC would talk to parents about LSH struggles academically and athletically. Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic? You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? You my friend are blind if you believe they just happened to transfer there kid to LCC randomly in 7th or 8th grade for academics.

I'm not going to argue with your "recruiting" claims because it's all he-said-she-said type of stuff (though I know them to be false).

However, to answer your questions:

Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic?: Answer: There aren't. Lima City Schools lose more kids to each of these schools (other than Allen East, for obvious geographic reasons) than it does to vouchers/LCC.

You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Answer: No, I don't think anyone is saying that. The vast majority of students receiving a voucher do not play basketball or football.

Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? Answer: Ignoring the fact that the city elementary schools are operated separately from the high school (making this question is inherently flawed), the city schools were not "good enough" k through 7/8 for a lot of these kids, as many of them transferred to St. Charles, St. Gerards, or St. Rose in elementary school.

I'm sure there have been a few kids who have transferred for sports (just as there have been kids who have admittedly transferred to LSH strictly for athletic purposes - Jim Barker, Nic Kristoff, Jamiihr Williams, and Ryan Nathan come to mind first), but talk to any of their parents and they will tell you that that is not why they've chosen to send their kid to LCC. Ask Quincy Simpson for example. He is one of LSH Basketball's biggest supporters, yet his son goes to LCC because "The game of life is bigger than the game of basketball" (Quincy's words).

[Osu4me]

dw629, on 12 November 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

I can tell you for 100% fact that more than one kid went on a visit to LCC with LCC hs coaches while in JH at city schools and home visits have happened on more than one occasion. There is no arguing this because it was straight from horses (plural) mouth and on those visits LCC would talk to parents about LSH struggles academically and athletically. Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic? You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? You my friend are blind if you believe they just happened to transfer there kid to LCC randomly in 7th or 8th grade for academics.

dw629, NO student is allow be given a state voucher unless the public school he's attending is in acdy emg. About 5 ago only one jr high in city school was falling under the acdy emg along with the high school. Those students were able to take the voucher program if requested, then shortly before ex super left another one fell. So far the new has already been able to raise the schools from acdy emg to acdy assist. I highly expect her to raise all the schools to the next level which I believe is a c report card and continue to climb under her guidance. Once that happens the vouchers in Allen county will no long exist for new students and those that Graduate out of the program will be gone. NO student is able to take a voucher unless the school is in acdy assist or Acdy emg.

BTW.....do you guys have any idea the number of LSH students who transfer to Perry or Elida? The number might surprise you!

[clutch]

brunowball, on 12 November 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

So they were academic standouts at LSH? If they were, what were the complaints about low test scores? If they were struggling academically, what will a move to LCC (which is often considered more difficult) do?

It just seems more likely to believe they joined up at a smaller school to dominate in athletics.

I would assume they want to get away from lima sr in general. Why doesn't anyone feel the need to point out the kids leaving sr high for elida, shawnee, bath? Hell, even spencerville? Anytime a kid transfers schools, its only against the rules if its LCC. Hey, that good back from crestview, where's he from? If I'm not mistaken, hes from/ lives in van wert....who cares right? If you disagree with vouchers, thats your right....but dont disagree with it because of sports.

[clutch]

dw629, on 12 November 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

I can tell you for 100% fact that more than one kid went on a visit to LCC with LCC hs coaches while in JH at city schools and home visits have happened on more than one occasion. There is no arguing this because it was straight from horses (plural) mouth and on those visits LCC would talk to parents about LSH struggles academically and athletically. Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic? You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? You my friend are blind if you believe they just happened to transfer there kid to LCC randomly in 7th or 8th grade for academics.

You again? You've done this once before with your "facts". When called out, you couldn't produce them. Your info about amount of transfers compared to other schools isn't even close; which is to be expected. I hope you've never reproduced.

[Irish Viking 87]

Rd2Glory, on 12 November 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

I'm not going to argue with your "recruiting" claims because it's all he-said-she-said type of stuff (though I know them to be false).

However, to answer your questions:

Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic?: Answer: There aren't. Lima City Schools lose more kids to each of these schools (other than Allen East, for obvious geographic reasons) than it does to vouchers/LCC.

You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Answer: No, I don't think anyone is saying that. The vast majority of students receiving a voucher do not play basketball or football.

Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? Answer: Ignoring the fact that the city elementary schools are operated separately from the high school (making this question is inherently flawed), the city schools were not "good enough" k through 7/8 for a lot of these kids, as many of them transferred to St. Charles, St. Gerards, or St. Rose in elementary school.

I'm sure there have been a few kids who have transferred for sports (just as there have been kids who have admittedly transferred to LSH strictly for athletic purposes - Jim Barker, Nic Kristoff, Jamiihr Williams, and Ryan Nathan come to mind first), but talk to any of their parents and they will tell you that that is not why they've chosen to send their kid to LCC. Ask Quincy Simpson for example. He is one of LSH Basketball's biggest supporters, yet his son goes to LCC because "The game of life is bigger than the game of basketball" (Quincy's words).

Wasn't Coach Q's older son a senior at LSH last year.(Maybe the year before.) If so is "the game of life bigger than the game of basketball" for only one son? If this is the real reason, why didn't both sons go to LCC.

[FearTheElf!!]

This thread is off topic again.....

[Rocketman]

Irish Viking 87, on 12 November 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Wasn't Coach Q's older son a senior at LSH last year.(Maybe the year before.) If so is "the game of life bigger than the game of basketball" for only one son? If this is the real reason, why didn't both sons go to LCC.

ding, ding, ding.........."What do we have for the winner Alex?"

[clutch]

Irish Viking 87, on 12 November 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Wasn't Coach Q's older son a senior at LSH last year.(Maybe the year before.) If so is "the game of life bigger than the game of basketball" for only one son? If this is the real reason, why didn't both sons go to LCC.

I believe he was actually interviewed about this last year before lcc vs lsh game. Dont remember his answer but remember watching on the news.

[FearTheElf!!]

His daughter also recently graduated from LCC so he's at least 2/3rds committed

[Rd2Glory]

Irish Viking 87, on 12 November 2013 - 08:59 PM, said:

Wasn't Coach Q's older son a senior at LSH last year.(Maybe the year before.) If so is "the game of life bigger than the game of basketball" for only one son? If this is the real reason, why didn't both sons go to LCC.

Rocketman, on 12 November 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

ding, ding, ding.........."What do we have for the winner Alex?"

clutch, on 12 November 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

I believe he was actually interviewed about this last year before lcc vs lsh game. Dont remember his answer but remember watching on the news.

Yes he was interviewed about it before the LCC vs LSH Game last year. He has also posted about it on Facebook. I have also heard him talk about it before in person.

Isaiah (his older son) was going to be a junior (or senior? I'm not positive) when he decided to move Xavier (still in Jr. High at the time). He felt it wouldn't be fair to move Isaiah to a new school so late in his education. Whether you disagree with his reasoning or not is up to you (although, frankly, it is irrelevant). Again, Coach Q is only one of many parents who I've heard use this same logic (the game of life is bigger than the game of basketball/football/etc.), Coach Q was just a prominent example of a clear supporter of LSH Sports that opted for LCC.

I could also ask you the inverse of your question: If it was about sports, why wouldn't he send both sons to LCC?

Rocketman, I know you're just trying to stir the LCC pot again for page views, but as the owner/operator of this site you should be above speculation/allegation of specific parents and kids (just my opinion, of course)

Edited by Rd2Glory, 12 November 2013 - 09:23 PM.

[brunowball]

clutch, on 12 November 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

I would assume they want to get away from lima sr in general. Why doesn't anyone feel the need to point out the kids leaving sr high for elida, shawnee, bath? Hell, even spencerville? Anytime a kid transfers schools, its only against the rules if its LCC. Hey, that good back from crestview, where's he from? If I'm not mistaken, hes from/ lives in van wert....who cares right? If you disagree with vouchers, thats your right....but dont disagree with it because of sports.

Tax payers already pay to support the public schools. And, as you pointed out, if the parents aren't happy with the academics at a failing school there are plenty of public schools that are doing great. If private schools want funding, they aren't really private anymore are they?

[clutch]

brunowball, on 12 November 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Tax payers already pay to support the public schools. And, as you pointed out, if the parents aren't happy with the academics at a failing school there are plenty of public schools that are doing great. If private schools want funding, they aren't really private anymore are they?

So your complaints aren't about sports then?

[brunowball]

clutch, on 12 November 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

So your complaints aren't about sports then?

I couldn't care less who goes where to be honest. My complaint is primarily from the voucher program, and how it is used to lure students to the school. Private schools are viewed as a privilege based on the cost to attend. Eliminate the cost and the less privileged kids will take advantage of it. Parents will see it as getting a prestigious education for nothing...when in fact it isn't any better than some of the public schools.

To say sports is not why most of them do it is just being silly. If it's academics they are worried about, there are plenty of very good public school in the immediate area.

Edited by brunowball, 12 November 2013 - 09:43 PM.

[dw629]

Rd2Glory, on 12 November 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

I'm not going to argue with your "recruiting" claims because it's all he-said-she-said type of stuff (though I know them to be false).

However, to answer your questions:

Why are there so many more transfers to LCC then elida, Bath, Shawnee, Perry, Allen east combined when none of the LSH transfer students are even catholic?: Answer: There aren't. Lima City Schools lose more kids to each of these schools (other than Allen East, for obvious geographic reasons) than it does to vouchers/LCC.

You're telling me that most the voucher kids happen to be good athletes? Answer: No, I don't think anyone is saying that. The vast majority of students receiving a voucher do not play basketball or football.

Why was city schools good enough k through 7 or 8 then? Answer: Ignoring the fact that the city elementary schools are operated separately from the high school (making this question is inherently flawed), the city schools were not "good enough" k through 7/8 for a lot of these kids, as many of them transferred to St. Charles, St. Gerards, or St. Rose in elementary school.

I'm sure there have been a few kids who have transferred for sports (just as there have been kids who have admittedly transferred to LSH strictly for athletic purposes - Jim Barker, Nic Kristoff, Jamiihr Williams, and Ryan Nathan come to mind first), but talk to any of their parents and they will tell you that that is not why they've chosen to send their kid to LCC. Ask Quincy Simpson for example. He is one of LSH Basketball's biggest supporters, yet his son goes to LCC because "The game of life is bigger than the game of basketball" (Quincy's words).

Next time you talk to Quincy ask him about the 8-10 "student athletes" (including his son) he would get back to Lima Senior if they would've ran Coach Allen out after this past season and hired him because as he personally said Shawn had ran his course there. As for my facts I'm not throwing kids names out there like I said if you want to keep your blinders on fine. The fact you think there is no recruiting is mind blowing.

[clutch]

brunowball, on 12 November 2013 - 09:42 PM, said:

I couldn't care less who goes where to be honest. My complaint is primarily from the voucher program, and how it is used to lure students to the school. Private schools are viewed as a privilege based on the cost to attend. Eliminate the cost and the less privileged kids will take advantage of it. Parents will see it as getting a prestigious education for nothing...when in fact it isn't any better than some of the public schools.

To say sports is not why most of them do it is just being silly. If it's academics they are worried about, there are plenty of very good public school in the immediate area.

The vouchers dont make it free, they cover a certain amount and the student pays the rest. There are good public schools in the area and are free to attend through open enrollment (even easier to "lure" the kids to your school) which is why there are MANY more who opt to go the open enrollment route. There are less vouchers then you think and even less that play sports.

[clutch]

dw629, on 12 November 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

Next time you talk to Quincy ask him about the 8-10 "student athletes" (including his son) he would get back to Lima Senior if they would've ran Coach Allen out after this past season and hired him because as he personally said Shawn had ran his course there. As for my facts I'm not throwing kids names out there like I said if you want to keep your blinders on fine. The fact you think there is no recruiting is mind blowing.

Youre a joke.

[brunowball]

clutch, on 12 November 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

The vouchers dont make it free, they cover a certain amount and the student pays the rest.

Or in some cases scholarship money from donors....

Open enrollment doesn't quit have the same 'lure' appeal as thousands of dollars in voucher money. People feel like they're getting something special.

[Rd2Glory]

dw629, on 12 November 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

Next time you talk to Quincy ask him about the 8-10 "student athletes" (including his son) he would get back to Lima Senior if they would've ran Coach Allen out after this past season and hired him because as he personally said Shawn had ran his course there. As for my facts I'm not throwing kids names out there like I said if you want to keep your blinders on fine. The fact you think there is no recruiting is mind blowing.

Your whole statement is based on speculation of what you think people would do (and these are people that you don't even know personally!) in the event of a hypothetical situation.

Of the many many people on here to claim to have "recruiting facts," no one has ever actually shared them. It's laughable. If you don't want to put out on a public forum, fine. But I see no reason why you couldn't at least direct message the people who are asking you to share your "facts."