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[Bobby]

Bigdogg79, on 01 April 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

Seems like only yesterday to me!

Ah, the first symptom of dementia. That explains a lot.

[Bigdogg79]

Bobby, on 01 April 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

Ah, the first symptom of dementia. That explains a lot.

Actually, the first symptom of dementia is loss of short term memory. Long term memory is not a problem. But hey you are wrong about lots of things so I am use to it.

Edited by Bigdogg79, 02 April 2013 - 12:54 PM.

[Dman]

Touché

[flounder]

slice slice baby, on 31 March 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

If anyone would know , it'd be FLOUNDER........ Lol

I still have feelings.......you know!!!!!!

[LimaJock]

Hang in there floundy. Slice is turning into a old grouch. Keep the faith and show everyone the love for thy fellow RC's no matter what cross you may have to bear.

POPE LJ

[flounder]

LimaJock, on 06 April 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Hang in there floundy. Slice is turning into a old grouch. Keep the faith and show everyone the love for thy fellow RC's no matter what cross you may have to bear.

POPE LJ

POPE LJ......

I became a convert of yours some time ago......you and I must work on many of the other Rocketcorner members...they must turn the other cheek and grin and bear it!!!!!

[LimaJock]

flounder, on 07 April 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

POPE LJ......

I became a convert of yours some time ago......you and I must work on many of the other Rocketcorner members...they must turn the other cheek and grin and bear it!!!!!

Well said brother. Their other choice is to bend over and bear it.

POPE LJ

[paperboy]

Dman, on 27 March 2013 - 09:17 AM, said:

What is this penalty you speak about? In most cases the athletic count goes up...and NOTHING will change. In cases where a school is lucky enough to attract a lot of transfers they may move up a class. I guess our disagreement is that I don't consider the possibility of moving up a class a big deal...let alone a penalty. No kid is denied anything. No school is singled out.

Here is an interesting article that outlines one particularly large 'penalty' that could be enacted on a private school simply because of where it is located: http://www.cantonrep...e-playing-field

I don't necessarily mind the basic tenets of this proposal, but there definitely should be some tweaks instead of treating every private school student exactly the same.

Edited by paperboy, 17 April 2013 - 12:45 PM.

[Dman]

There is a provision in the proposal, however, to waive the adjusted enrollment count for any team that can show it has failed to reach a level of competitiveness in that sport. That criteria — regular season or tournament success — is yet to be established, but will be determined by the competitive balance committee during the next two years.

This is just a new classification process… There is two year phase in of the system. Teams who demonstrate an inability to compete at the level they are placed can utilize the committee process to be placed differently. If the team in this article proves incapable of being competitive…there is a process forthcoming to put them at a level in which they are more competitive. I’ll double down on my opinion that there is no “punishment” in the system as outlined.

Locally…if LCC gets bumped to DIV II and proves to be incapable of being competitive at that division level, they can utilize the system to return to III or IV where they might feel more comfortable. I highly doubt that such a scenario would/could play out…as I think most know that a school like LCC would compete just fine at II or III.

[paperboy]

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Dman, on 18 April 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

I’ll double down on my opinion that there is no “punishment” in the system as outlined.

Sure there is. Success in high school sports is often cyclical. If it takes two years to have a division mis-alignment remedied it's quite possible those two years were a team's chance to break through.I'm also not enthused about the level of detail in the proposal. Great, the Competitive Balance Committee gets to decide who is and who isn't competitive - what are the criteria? Take football as an example - how do you know a team can be competitive in, say, Division II if it can't make the playoffs because it has a bunch of Division IV teams on its schedule?This proposal is asking us to trust a committee that recently put two measures on the ballot that couldn't garner 50% of the vote. I'm not buying.

[LimaJock]

paperboy, on 18 April 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

<p>Sure there is. Success in high school sports is often cyclical. If it takes two years to have a division mis-alignment remedied it's quite possible those two years were a team's chance to break through.I'm also not enthused about the level of detail in the proposal. Great, the Competitive Balance Committee gets to decide who is and who isn't competitive - what are the criteria? Take football as an example - how do you know a team can be competitive in, say, Division II if it can't make the playoffs because it has a bunch of Division IV teams on its schedule?This proposal is asking us to trust a committee that recently put two measures on the ballot that couldn't garner 50% of the vote. I'm not buying.

I will bid $5. Much better to have a work in progress than a system that is flawed.

POPE LJ

[Bigdogg79]

paperboy, on 17 April 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Here is an interesting article that outlines one particularly large 'penalty' that could be enacted on a private school simply because of where it is located: http://www.cantonrep...e-playing-field

I don't necessarily mind the basic tenets of this proposal, but there definitely should be some tweaks instead of treating every private school student exactly the same.

So we are suppose to feel bad for Canton Central Catholic? They have won state championships in the following sports:

• Boys Football – 1988, 2000
  
• Boys Golf – 1984, 1987
  
• Boys Baseball - 2008, 2011
  
• Boys Tennis - 1999, 2000

How many schools have not had the opportunity to play for any state championships because they have been arbitrarily put in a larger classification than they can draw from compared to CCC and are required to take and count every warm body that shows up on their doorstep? No I do not and will not feel bad for them at all. I say welcome to the club, I guess they will have to work harder to compete with the bigger boys.

Edited by Bigdogg79, 30 April 2013 - 08:21 AM.

[Mr Bearcat]

Koza said that Ron Williams voted No. Interesting since he said on Koza's show a couple weeks ago, they he supported the changes.

[Bobby]

Could be a much closer vote than most expect and I wouldn't be surprised if it went down to defeat. The fact that this proposal is just a start and could/will be tweaked as it goes is a big issue. Most administrators want to know exactly what they're voting for and how it will affect them now and in the future.

[Rocketman]

Mr Bearcat, on 14 May 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Koza said that Ron Williams voted No. Interesting since he said on Koza's show a couple weeks ago, they he supported the changes.

AD Ron Williams would vote no.........

[Mr Bearcat]

I don't know what the Schools that keep voting No want?

[Maltese Falcon]

Mr Bearcat, on 15 May 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

I don't know what the Schools that keep voting No want?

The status quo

[Dman]

191 didn't vote... I guess we are back to the private/public split. At least that vote will most likely take place in short order. I'm guessing those who pulled that proposal for this alternative...are not real happy right now. You can't really say the OHSAA didn't try to prevent armageddon. Who knows what will happen. But the risk that Ohio goes the route of so many other states is real.

[Mr Bearcat]

I guess the OHSAA can get back to making sure the enrollment numbers for division classification are correct. As for the topic at hand, I am about to the point splitting Public/Private, and be done with it!

[Rocketman]

The OHSAA cannot allow the "Public/Private" division to take place.........the privates will bolt the association, taking with them the schools who don't care
if other schools recruit or not........they just want to play the best competition they can find........

If this happens, the OHSAA will fold in short order as we know it and that folks is what they are scared shitless about..........without the privates, the dominoes
start to fall and all their perks will be worthless with Toledo Scott playing Cleveland Brush is the state football finals

I've remarked in the past that the schools pushing for the breakup stand to gain the most.........the OHSAA will start making under the table payments
to the Wayne Co. schools so that this issue goes away............stay tuned