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[Corleone]

Good article by Coach B in today's Courier discussing the topic of the 14th member:

http://www.thecourie...2013,Apr,20&c=s

He lists Ada, Columbus Grove, Bluffton, Carey, Elmwood and Patrick Henry as the possibles, so pretty familiar names as far as this thread is concerned. Of those 6, I only see Ada as a remote possibility and I still say they stay put.

So if none of these pan out, what then? I hope there is no desparation invite just to get to 14 (think North Baltimore). After these 6 names, its kind of tough to come up with another that makes sense if Calvert is not going to be considered. Maybe the hope is that Vanlue or HN will solve the problem by dropping out, or at least dropping football. Forget about the BVC "kicking out" anyone. My understanding is that BVC rules are such that no school can be voted out by the others, they have to leave on their own.

[bob22]

I like Baker's idea for b-ball championship games at Croy. I say make it a triple-header on Saturday. 3 vs. 3, 2 vs.2, and 1 vs. 1. That would give it more of a tourney feel. Let the other schools host on that friday night; 4 vs 4, etc. with the divsions rotating who hosts.

[falconfan84]

If Ada would join the BVC, the b-ball championship games could be played at King Horn Center @ ONU. Much nicer and more seating than Croy. Obviously not centrally located, but it would be nice to have a facility that would be able to give spectators a chance to see multiple games instead of clearing the gym.

[WebFire]

Riverdale BOE voted 5-0 in favor of joining the BVC.

[Rocketman]

Welcome Falcons

[polkhigh33]

#14 will sure be interesting.

[Common Sense]

I'm not sure they'll ever get to 14 teams, I think the bigger fear was that schools would not be able to field football teams and schools would be stuck with holes in the football schedule. The need for even teams is really just a football problem, the other sports play multiple times and more than once a week, so it's really not an issue.

I don't understand why high school conferences are so rigid in timing. Pro teams, college teams ,youth sports can all put together a scheuled and implement it in a matter of a few months. In high school, you have to have two years??? Why schedule ahead like that?
Vanlue and Hardin Norhern need to join the league with Fairbanks, Lima Temple, Lima Perry. Much more competitive for them. They should minimally do it for football, if not all sports.

[polkhigh33]

That would be the NWCC and Fairbanks is/has left that conference. For the time being, Fort Loramie and Sidney Lehman are part of that conference.

[bob22]

Common Sense, on 23 April 2013 - 10:15 AM, said:

I'm not sure they'll ever get to 14 teams, I think the bigger fear was that schools would not be able to field football teams and schools would be stuck with holes in the football schedule. The need for even teams is really just a football problem, the other sports play multiple times and more than once a week, so it's really not an issue.

I don't understand why high school conferences are so rigid in timing. Pro teams, college teams ,youth sports can all put together a scheuled and implement it in a matter of a few months. In high school, you have to have two years??? Why schedule ahead like that?
Vanlue and Hardin Norhern need to join the league with Fairbanks, Lima Temple, Lima Perry. Much more competitive for them. They should minimally do it for football, if not all sports.

Pro sports only deal with one sport and almost all play in dedicated facilities. The Detroit Tigers don't have to schedule football or basketball games, volleyball, cross country, etc.

College football? There are games scheduled ten years out.

And high school ADs are notorious for wanting to do as little as possible.

[cropduster]

This to me just makes the waters more murky . It's not like 2 of the three schools are football powers. To me this was a knee jerk reaction that in the long run could become more headaches .

[Ericles]

bob22, on 23 April 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Pro sports only deal with one sport and almost all play in dedicated facilities. The Detroit Tigers don't have to schedule football or basketball games, volleyball, cross country, etc.

College football? There are games scheduled ten years out.

And high school ADs are notorious for wanting to do as little as possible.

How do you figure that is the case?

[falconfan84]

cropduster, on 23 April 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

This to me just makes the waters more murky . It's not like 2 of the three schools are football powers. To me this was a knee jerk reaction that in the long run could become more headaches .

We can say the same thing about the current BVC (ratio of good to bad teams). In any given year, there are only 2 to 4 BVC schools that could be considered a "power" in football...that's probably average to slightly above average for conferences.

As far as making the waters more murky...
If done properly, expansion could solidify the BVC's presence in the playoffs. More non-conference games gives schools the opportunity to schedule teams according to their abilities. A weaker team will probably try to schedule a game against another struggling program in order to gain a victory...this will pay second-round dividends for the stronger teams in the conference. A stronger team will schedule games against more established teams, where a victory could mean a boatload of points.

There's also the reality that the sports world does not revolve around football alone. When considering all of the sports at the JH and HS level, a move into a different conference could literally pay huge dividends.

I'm not sure what is the optimal number of schools for a conference...I'd actually prefer 12 instead of 14. Any bigger, and you may as well have 2 separate conferences...and I don't really like that idea either. The BVC will have to be careful on how the divisions are split. The NCC went about this in the wrong manner, in my opinion...but then again the NCC had a MUCH greater disparity in the size of schools than the BVC will have.

[bob22]

Ericles, on 23 April 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

How do you figure that is the case?

"Easy Button" scheduling (or not rescheduling in the case of spring sports). Taking 3 years to play the equivalent of two full seasons is only jipping the kids. Or worse not even scheduling full seasons. Playing the same crappy non league teams in certain sports because they are easy to get = easy button.

In their defense many are coaches, sometimes in multiple sports. Thats a whole lotta job responsiblities with very little pay.

[bambino]

Good move for the Falcons but where does that leave the NCC to fill the vacancy. Could be Upper, Elgin or maybe H-L jumps out of the BVC and into the NCC.

[cropduster]

It is my understanding the NCC is now defunct

[polkhigh33]

I'm pretty sure Upper Sandusky would rather close the doors than deal with N10 members again.

[Common Sense]

bob22, on 23 April 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Pro sports only deal with one sport and almost all play in dedicated facilities. The Detroit Tigers don't have to schedule football or basketball games, volleyball, cross country, etc.

College football? There are games scheduled ten years out.

And high school ADs are notorious for wanting to do as little as possible.

Not buying the first two, the conference schedules are almost set year after year, every other year, they flip from front/ back or visa versa. Heck, in the PCL for hoops, they have what, 18 conference games? Colleges have a schedule in pencil, but when TV dollars come in, they bounce games and buy out schools all the time.

Now the 3rd one, I'll buy. With e-mail, texting, scheduling can happen easily and much quicker than before. Heck, many AD's have an office staff person do all the paperwork on these contracts.

[Common Sense]

falconfan84, on 24 April 2013 - 06:17 AM, said:

We can say the same thing about the current BVC (ratio of good to bad teams). In any given year, there are only 2 to 4 BVC schools that could be considered a "power" in football...that's probably average to slightly above average for conferences.

As far as making the waters more murky...
If done properly, expansion could solidify the BVC's presence in the playoffs. More non-conference games gives schools the opportunity to schedule teams according to their abilities. A weaker team will probably try to schedule a game against another struggling program in order to gain a victory...this will pay second-round dividends for the stronger teams in the conference. A stronger team will schedule games against more established teams, where a victory could mean a boatload of points.

There's also the reality that the sports world does not revolve around football alone. When considering all of the sports at the JH and HS level, a move into a different conference could literally pay huge dividends.

I'm not sure what is the optimal number of schools for a conference...I'd actually prefer 12 instead of 14. Any bigger, and you may as well have 2 separate conferences...and I don't really like that idea either. The BVC will have to be careful on how the divisions are split. The NCC went about this in the wrong manner, in my opinion...but then again the NCC had a MUCH greater disparity in the size of schools than the BVC will have.

Splitting into two divisions is just catering to the weak/ strong argument. What do you do if you have a 5-0 or 6-0 team from each division? Who's the league champ? How do you split the divisions fairly? Look at last year, do you put LB, McComb and Leipsic in the same division? Do you split them? You can't change the divisions every year based on who you think will be strong.
To answer the original question, it will be great for Riverdale to join the BVC. Many normal rivalries that these kids play at the youth levels, crowds will be better, interest will be more.

[Maltese Falcon]

Common Sense, on 24 April 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

Not buying the first two, the conference schedules are almost set year after year, every other year, they flip from front/ back or visa versa. Heck, in the PCL for hoops, they have what, 18 conference games? Colleges have a schedule in pencil, but when TV dollars come in, they bounce games and buy out schools all the time.

Now the 3rd one, I'll buy. With e-mail, texting, scheduling can happen easily and much quicker than before. Heck, many AD's have an office staff person do all the paperwork on these contracts.

PCL hoops do not play home and home........with only 8 teams that leaves 15 non- conference games.

[Ericles]

polkhigh33, on 24 April 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure Upper Sandusky would rather close the doors than deal with N10 members again.

Don't be so sure about that. I've been told that they've made it known to the other N10 schools they might be interersted. Most people would be skeptical, but considering where my information came from, there's at least a little bit of merit to it.

Edited by Ericles, 24 April 2013 - 02:36 PM.