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[Bobby]

Dman, on 18 March 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

The good news is that fair isn't the standard. It need only be better than status quo. Status quo decided THIS YEAR'S Div IV champion a couple AAU seasons back.

Even if the hypothetical "new system" is worse than the present...who cares? We already have a turd in the toilet we can't flush.

Dman, on 18 March 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

This is not new. The Div IV has been dominated by transfer or recruit assisted teams for the better part of a decade.

You are quoted as saying Div IV has been dominated by transfer or recruit assisted teams... Here is a list of the Div IV state champs for the past ten years. ONE private school. The new solution of separate tournaments would have affected ONE school. You claim transfers/recruits is rampant so obviously the majority of the nine other schools are guilty. Yet the new solution does not address them at all. Schools like that will continue to dominate. When will the next bit of legislation pop up to deal with these schools?

2012 Berlin Hiland
2011 Berlin Hiland
2010 Dayton Jefferson
2009 Oak Hill
2008 New Knoxville
2007 Georgetown
2006 South Webster
2005 Cleveland Heights Lutheran East
2004 Holgate
2003 Marion Local

[Dman]

I know flounder...it is not as if this years title, and the year before that, and the year before that, ...are tainted!

Again...whatever happens...the adults in charge allowed this poison atmosphere to fester. Every year more and more innocents have been affected. One day, we wake up and find that "they followed the rules" doesn't placate ...

[flounder]

Dman.......

I really do not think this problem of not following the rules started in any of the schools in Ohio.......I really do not want to get started on this, but all one has to do is look at our federal government...what rules are followed at that level.....it all bleeds down the ladder!!!!

[labatts69]

Bobby, on 19 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

You are quoted as saying Div IV has been dominated by transfer or recruit assisted teams... Here is a list of the Div IV state champs for the past ten years. ONE private school. The new solution of separate tournaments would have affected ONE school. You claim transfers/recruits is rampant so obviously the majority of the nine other schools are guilty. Yet the new solution does not address them at all. Schools like that will continue to dominate. When will the next bit of legislation pop up to deal with these schools?

2012 Berlin Hiland
2011 Berlin Hiland
2010 Dayton Jefferson
2009 Oak Hill
2008 New Knoxville
2007 Georgetown
2006 South Webster
2005 Cleveland Heights Lutheran East
2004 Holgate
2003 Marion Local

you may want to put a star by 2005 as that was the year of africentric. how lucky of continental to get there 2 years in a decade and have that debacle of the nubians then the berlin move-in of 2011.

[Hound Dog]

Bobby, on 19 March 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

You are quoted as saying Div IV has been dominated by transfer or recruit assisted teams... Here is a list of the Div IV state champs for the past ten years. ONE private school. The new solution of separate tournaments would have affected ONE school. You claim transfers/recruits is rampant so obviously the majority of the nine other schools are guilty. Yet the new solution does not address them at all. Schools like that will continue to dominate. When will the next bit of legislation pop up to deal with these schools?

2012 Berlin Hiland
2011 Berlin Hiland
2010 Dayton Jefferson
2009 Oak Hill
2008 New Knoxville
2007 Georgetown
2006 South Webster
2005 Cleveland Heights Lutheran East
2004 Holgate
2003 Marion Local

Just go by the past 5 years and it sounds like a different story. The last 2 for sure have been affected by transfers...maybe the last 3. 2005 and 2006 had transfers also.

Edited by Hound Dog, 19 March 2013 - 03:17 PM.

[Dman]

Bobby and flounder:

I agree that booting the Catholics does not solve the problem. Never have said I was for it. I just like watching you guys whine about the new turd they are proposing to replace the current turd we have. I long ago quit defending turds. It is funny to watch you guys fight for the current system as if their is anything worth fighting for...

DSJ's is small and unique among the Catholic High School's in this state. I can understand why you guys are taking this particularly hard. You guys feel like you are getting punished for something you have not contributed to... I assure you that your proposed punishment pales in comparison to the injustice Arlington, Continental, Grove, etc have had to face at the hands of the current turd.

I will take moment to note that on this site, and in general...I can't recall much Jay support for the traditional schools that surround your community. I can't speak for Bobby...but flounder...you have taken LCC's side so much on this site that we can't tell where the T-bird anus ends and your mouth begins. I say this knowing that you understand fully which school you decided to defend and which schools ​you chose to chastise for the better part of a decade.

It is a bit amusing to see that your current predicament might need support from the very folks you have continuously turned your back on. I say that only from a micro-perspective as it pertains to this website. From the macro-perspective, I agree that the proposed split does not solve the problem. But should the measure pass, I completely understand WHY it would.

Years of condescending "work harder" and "quit whining" have a way of clouding sound judgement from those affected. There is a seething mistrust and resentment that has been cultivated on sites just like RC. I dare say that there are many who would gladly accept a stinkier turd just to see the "privates" get a good dose of olfactory stimulation. While the Africentric's and Hiland's would preferably be included in the stink parade, sometimes you take what ever retribution you can get.

I'm not one of those people. I see the greater picture. I know that thee above description is immature and childish. But I understand sociological behaviors. Don't color me surprised if something like this proposal actually passes. And while there is decent argument to be made that those who would support such self-defecation in hopes the splatter will affect thy perceived enemy...are indeed idiots! An equal argument can be made that those of you who participated in piling on the downtrodden...share in the blame of whatever outcome presents. That would make you idiots too!

[rallyinthe9th]

I am stunned that a private school hasn't won D4 in the last decade. I was looking at the original list and didn't remember Lutheran East winning that year until I saw that Africentric had to give it back. Do they recognize it as a state title at Lutheran East? Not that there are many Lutheran East fans on this site, but I am just curious how they view that.

[Emerson]

You just build super teams in the area and you take them down to columbus year after year. The loopholes are there to easily be maneuvered around, no one will ever sit out a year. LCC kids can play d2 with Elida (insert any local team) and just build teams up for a few years, dismantle it, and take them to another division, another school. Mathias as a sophmore would have been a fantastic candidate to lead a d3 charge with LCC with that squad. Huffman is the only senior of mention that is leaving... everyone would have been back.

Don't sit here and just complain about the recruiting. Join up. Make annual trips to cbus with kids from all over the area bring a flock of fans from NW Ohio and make it an event. There is so much talent in the area but so split up that it makes it fun for us during the season, but come time for cbus, Mathias is warming up his AAU waiting for the rest of his team mates to finish their runs.

[flounder]

Dman.......

You are completely wrong in your first paragraph.....I am not fighting for the current system......but please, do not replace it with a worse system....which is what will happen if they separate the private and public.....I really think it will damage our sports programs in Ohio....and if you are going to note a few schools that you feel have been punished, then you might as well list DSJ in with those schools......we are no different from them...

Sure I defended LCC...but not so much concerning their voucher system and how they obtain students.....I always felt that LCC as a addition to the NWC would make it stronger.......I may have to back away from that thought as it seems many schools in the NWC feel it is better to go backwards than forwards.......it seems that Spencerville grabbed the bull by the horns.....LCC who...........Spencerville didn't roll over and cry foul....they went out and beat LCC and took a share of the conference with them.......I agree that LCC is not on the same playing field as this area's teams......I can also see Crestview dominating this conference now instead of LCC....actually Dman.....I am not a staunch supporter of LCC....much of what I posted was to get a rise out of a few people......you were not one of them, but it appears that maybe it affected you also.....my apologies Dman....

It is what it is......right now, I am at the age where I really don't give a crap......my children are done with sports....there are some that feel the whole athletic part of high school has not changed much over the years........I say it has...especially the past 10 seasons...I know many coaches and former coaches who feel the same as I.....you can see it and feel it by the athlete's attitude.....sure, we are still going to have the dedication that was there before, but it seems it is showing up less and less.....who knows why and who knows how to correct it........but if the vote separates the playing field into private and public I only see things getting worse....

The world may be a changing, but it is still to early to tell if it is going in the right direction!!!!!

[flounder]

rallyinthe9th, on 19 March 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

I am stunned that a private school hasn't won D4 in the last decade. I was looking at the original list and didn't remember Lutheran East winning that year until I saw that Africentric had to give it back. Do they recognize it as a state title at Lutheran East? Not that there are many Lutheran East fans on this site, but I am just curious how they view that.

You are stunned......you shouldn't be......the reason you are stunned is because all you have heard over these past few years is that the bad ol privates have such a huge advantage........well, not so in D4!!!!

[Emerson]

D1 programs are going to get a lot more press and hype for college recruiting than d4 .. why build dynasties in such a small area or small school?

[diassingle]

If this passes I feel you will also see some Public schools ask to play in the Private Leagues and Championships. There are rules now and a governing body. My gosh 1 commish it seems like 90 asst. commissioners no one enforcing the rules. Funny the same board of controls who selects the game officials (LOL). Heck I went to Public school. There were a couple good players who were givin passing grades D- to be able to play. The rules are there but the ohsaa isn't governing the integrity they preach "respect the game". A vote won't fix this.

[Dman]

Are we allowed to add VASJ to the list today. Or do we wait for the weekend?

[flounder]

It's not official yet Dman....lol!!!!!

[Kennedy]

Loved watching them play this weekend. Incredible athletes for a DIV team. Not the best DIV team in recent memory though, 2008 New Knoxville would take 4 out of 5 from them easily.

[TiGgEr3]

Ross was just interviewed by STO and pointed to this game as a specific example of why this needs to pass. "Small school teams like Leipsic don't get a fair shot against teams that can recruit in 7 counties"