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[NDLOVER]

Ok, I've been keeping up with these posts. Speaking of acting like winning the super bowl, A-town wasn't too far from it when they defeated LB this year. Yes it comes with the territory. This season has not been a surprise for LB. Thought 6 loses would not be a shock this year and they are close to it. The amazing thing is looking at their tourney draw they have a decent chance of making regionals. Only have to play 1 team with winning record till district finals where they would play Elmwood most likely. Could get ugly if they make it to regionals though.

[redbird]

bvcgrad, on 13 February 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

I have been to 99% of the Arlington girls games over the past 3 years and have to agree with POST on this one ! I would love to know what game you THINK that this happened in !

I have seen ATown, as you call it, press in the fourth quarter up 22 points AND with 4 starters on the court. THAT IS A FACT. Paybacks.

Edited by redbird, 15 February 2013 - 12:01 AM.

[Kane]

PostPlayer, on 14 February 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

I think this topic can die anytime. Arlington had 3-4 yrs of incredibly talented teams that could literally walk on the floor with no coaching in win games by 30 pts every night. When this happens, there will always be nelly wellies that complain about running up the score, etc. The reality is that in girls basketball - when there is such a discrepancy in talent, games get lopsided real quick. If you look at it from the Atowns perspective (in this case), how do you not continue to play hard and work to get better? SHould you pull starters in 2nd quarter? I love the saying I read some time ago about people that complain about running up scores...it's your job to not let it happen....

In the case of this year, we are obviously way down from where we were but still won 15 games this year. There were times that teams acted like they won the super bowl when they beat us (see Kenton for example)...it goes with the territory. One year your on top and the next you may not be....in the end coaches need to act responsibly in late 3rd and 4th quarters but also it's their job to make sure they are improving and you cannot do that when your starters play 50% of games.

I agree with you about running up the score part. I'm ok if your team is up 30 points and still attack the basket. What seems better holding the ball or still playing? I mean as long as you are not pressing, then there is nothing wrong. Arlington played a lot of below average teams last year and they had a pretty good team. So you will see some very lopsided games. But this year the table has turned. Arlington is now one of those below average teams this year and if any team gets the chance to beat them during the season they will and be very proud of it. If that does happen teams will celebrate as if they won the Super Bowl that is how it is. It should also send you a message that other schools take seriously which will say a lot about your program.

[PostPlayer]

Kane, on 15 February 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

I agree with you about running up the score part. I'm ok if your team is up 30 points and still attack the basket. What seems better holding the ball or still playing? I mean as long as you are not pressing, then there is nothing wrong. Arlington played a lot of below average teams last year and they had a pretty good team. So you will see some very lopsided games. But this year the table has turned. Arlington is now one of those below average teams this year and if any team gets the chance to beat them during the season they will and be very proud of it. If that does happen teams will celebrate as if they won the Super Bowl that is how it is. It should also send you a message that other schools take seriously which will say a lot about your program.

Kane - I agree this years team is not close to the level of talent we had past 4 yrs, but did you really call us "below average"? 15 wins (and counting) is below average? Wow.

[Bluetiger76]

PostPlayer, on 15 February 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Kane - I agree this years team is not close to the level of talent we had past 4 yrs, but did you really call us "below average"? 15 wins (and counting) is below average? Wow.

Not sure how others feel about an "average season", but my take is 10-10 is not necessarily an average season. IMHO...It has to do with several other items. One is strength of schedule, two is "quality wins", and three is surprising losses or upsets.

A team should know the games on their schedule that they "should" win, its the other games that gauge a good, bad or average season.

Just my opinion.

Edited by Bluetiger76, 16 February 2013 - 03:30 PM.

[PostPlayer]

Bluetiger - so what is your take on the Arlington season? Sub-standard, average or exceeded expectations...? I don't disagree with your comments btw...but in most cases that would only apply in a very soft league like the one USV plays in for example. The BVC is very good again this year IMO. We also played the top 4 teams in the MAL this year (Carey, TC, Mohawk, NR).

[Bluetiger76]

PostPlayer, on 17 February 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

Bluetiger - so what is your take on the Arlington season? Sub-standard, average or exceeded expectations...? I don't disagree with your comments btw...but in most cases that would only apply in a very soft league like the one USV plays in for example. The BVC is very good again this year IMO. We also played the top 4 teams in the MAL this year (Carey, TC, Mohawk, NR).

A very good season. My point was "When is average, average? Mathmatically 10-10 is pretty much average......but some teams could go 8-12 and consider their season above average if expectations (with the talent level they are dealt) were exceeded.

[Kane]

PostPlayer, on 17 February 2013 - 11:09 AM, said:

Bluetiger - so what is your take on the Arlington season? Sub-standard, average or exceeded expectations...? I don't disagree with your comments btw...but in most cases that would only apply in a very soft league like the one USV plays in for example. The BVC is very good again this year IMO. We also played the top 4 teams in the MAL this year (Carey, TC, Mohawk, NR).

I just don't think the BVC is that good. You can throw out records all you want but I don't think they play that impressive if a schedule. But hey that's just what i think.

[cubbies4life]

Kane, on 17 February 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

I just don't think the BVC is that good. You can throw out records all you want but I don't think they play that impressive if a schedule. But hey that's just what i think.

Hmm Arlington Gals win a state championship last year and LB was at state 3 of the last 4 years with 1 state title.

Must be the weak schedule.

[gamekeeper]

Kane based on what? The BVC is especially Girls is pretty competative for the size of schools they have. And two of the schools Pandora, and Leipsic also compete in the PCL, and have competed for league titles in that league. There is about 4 teams on even given year that compete to win the division, and for most conferences that's pretty good. The BVC has always done well even against the outlanding conferences.

What conferences do you think are so much better?

And as far as pressing. There is the argument you can't get that kind of teaching in practice. YOur JV or bench can't press like another teams starters, so anytime presses you can learn alot about your team, and your team can work on breaking it. It will make you better long term.

[Common Sense]

Kane, on 17 February 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

I just don't think the BVC is that good. You can throw out records all you want but I don't think they play that impressive if a schedule. But hey that's just what i think.

All it all the conference is pretty decent, especially this year. No state contenders, but six pretty solid teams. I can't think if a really strong conference in NW Ohio. I think with girls hoops, you just look at the strong programs, and see if they play each other. And yes, you can have a great record and not be that strong, look at WHO these teams are playing. But this year, the BVC is pretty solid.

[PostPlayer]

Common Sense, on 17 February 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

All it all the conference is pretty decent, especially this year. No state contenders, but six pretty solid teams. I can't think if a really strong conference in NW Ohio. I think with girls hoops, you just look at the strong programs, and see if they play each other. And yes, you can have a great record and not be that strong, look at WHO these teams are playing. But this year, the BVC is pretty solid.

Posty and CommonSense finally agree on something! Good points made CommonSense. Not a state championship year for the BVC, but very good teams nonetheless with LB, Leipsic, PG, Arcadia, McComb and Arlington all being capable of beating most teams on a given night.

[Mysterio]

I think a team is only as good as who they play. I think the BVC is a good conference maybe not as tough as the WBL, MAC, NWC, PCL. But they have some good teams that might be able to compete with some of the other conferences. In my opinion I don't think the BVC is as good this year but you can't really punish a team for who they play.

[gamekeeper]

First off the BVC is better than the NWC. The WBL is all bigger schools so yes it might be harder, and the MAC again has larger schools in the league so they have that going for them. PCL, I can argue the BVC has done well in competing schools in that league

The BVC has for years, other than about three schools. Every school has competed for the league title in the past ten years. I think that is a pretty good statement for the league. The league is also so centrally located so two teams that are the in the top half of the League usually have to play each other in the playoffs right away, so it doesn't look like they get to advance as many teams.

Alot of leagues Have one or two really good teams that typically dominate their league. And do well in the tournament but they league play is not that strong.

[Mysterio]

gamekeeper, on 18 February 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

First off the BVC is better than the NWC. The WBL is all bigger schools so yes it might be harder, and the MAC again has larger schools in the league so they have that going for them. PCL, I can argue the BVC has done well in competing schools in that league

The BVC has for years, other than about three schools. Every school has competed for the league title in the past ten years. I think that is a pretty good statement for the league. The league is also so centrally located so two teams that are the in the top half of the League usually have to play each other in the playoffs right away, so it doesn't look like they get to advance as many teams.

Alot of leagues Have one or two really good teams that typically dominate their league. And do well in the tournament but they league play is not that strong.

This year? Ya I think we can say that the BVC is much stronger than the NWC. It would be interesting to see these BVC schools start scheduling some MAC or WBL schools during the regular season.

[Bluetiger76]

Mysterio, on 18 February 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

It would be interesting to see these BVC schools start scheduling some MAC or WBL schools during the regular season.

LB plays Wapak, O-G, and Bath every year (all WBL). They also played Minster (MAC) a couple years in a row (a couple years ago) in the Elida Christmas tourney. LB has faired very well in these games over the years.

Edited by Bluetiger76, 18 February 2013 - 08:54 PM.

[Common Sense]

Amazing how we always get back to the MAC. As for the WBL, LB (and Van Buren) are the only two schools that are D3 in the BVC, and the WBL are mostly, if not all D3 and D2, so not sure why they would want to play BVC schools (along with geographic problems.).
There are dozens upon dozens of D4 schools in NW Ohio, many of the MAC schools are SW Ohio, so why would you go play someone an hour to and hour and a half away, opposed to playing teams within 30 minutes?

I don't think anyone challenged that the BVC was a great conference, but it's not terrible either. And especially this year, it's got a 1/2 dozen pretty solid programs.

[PostPlayer]

Don't forget, there have been a lot of state champions out of the BVC over the years.

Arlington last year - LB has won multiple in boys/girls - HN won in football...you get the picture. The BVC always seems to be ultra competitive in girls basketball too for some reason - probably cause there are some very good coaches in the BVC that have been there for awhile. Baker @ Arcadia, Irwin at LB, Rogers/Newlove at Arlington to name a few.

[Bluetiger76]

Common Sense, on 18 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

As for the WBL, LB (and Van Buren) are the only two schools that are D3 in the BVC, and the WBL are mostly, if not all D3 and D2, so not sure why they would want to play BVC schools (along with geographic problems.).

Good point

[Mysterio]

Common Sense, on 18 February 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

Amazing how we always get back to the MAC. As for the WBL, LB (and Van Buren) are the only two schools that are D3 in the BVC, and the WBL are mostly, if not all D3 and D2, so not sure why they would want to play BVC schools (along with geographic problems.).
There are dozens upon dozens of D4 schools in NW Ohio, many of the MAC schools are SW Ohio, so why would you go play someone an hour to and hour and a half away, opposed to playing teams within 30 minutes?

Depends where some of the BVC schools are located. Like Arlington actually is only just little over half hour away from Lima Bath, Elida, Shawnee, Ottawa-Glandorf, Delphos. Just little over an hour away from Minster, Marion Local, New Breman. So that ain't too bad. But I get your point some of the smaller schools can't afford to play a team that's over an hour and half but those are all under that. Now yes some of the northern schools in the BVC will be much farther away, so yes.