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[HH75]

gamekeeper, on 11 February 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

I get that Football is the big draw, I get that most schools that it is their biggest money maker. If you have 20 kids playing and losing by 45 points every game you aren't drawing a large fan base.
Not talking about McComb dropping football I am talking about a school that has 20 kids go out three get hurt and are down to 17.
That year in and year out have only 20 boys go out. YOur not filling your stadium.
Soccer would be a bigger draw to a school, if they didnt' have football on friday nights. Parents and grandparents are still going to show up to the game no matter what sport the player is playing.

And I am not from putnam county ......I just used them as an example. I don't think fort Jennings has football and they have a successful soccer, and basketball programs.

Again... bad jr hi football out drawls varsity soccer. I totally disagree that more people would show up for a soccer game on friday night if football didnt exist.

[gamekeeper]

Again... bad jr hi football out drawls varsity soccer. I totally disagree that more people would show up for a soccer game on friday night if football didnt exist.



So your argument then is keep football even though we can hardly field a team because more people come to watch it.
Are you sure Vanlue is making money week end and week.

It also by the way cost more to fund a football program versus a soccer program.

[Bobby]

Pantherbuff, on 10 February 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

At our school football and basketball has the largest income and help pay for other sports like baseball, solfball, track, and others, because of their gate receats....If we gave up football for soccer, we would lose alot of money, because we would not have as many fans at the soccer game as we would at a football game....

Not every school makes money on football and basketball. I'd be interested to know if Vanlue and Hardin Northern made money on football this year.

Football might bring in more money than soccer but it costs substantially more, too.

[Bluetiger76]

Bobby, on 12 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

Football might bring in more money than soccer but it costs substantially more, too.

Most all football programs will net more money than the soccer teams, but you make a GREAT point Bobby.

[HH75]

gamekeeper, on 12 February 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Again... bad jr hi football out drawls varsity soccer. I totally disagree that more people would show up for a soccer game on friday night if football didnt exist.



So your argument then is keep football even though we can hardly field a team because more people come to watch it.
Ares you sure Vanlue is making money week end and week.

It also by the way cost more to fund a football program versus a soccer program.

What im saying is if school A is having a jr hi football game at the same time school A is also hosting a varsity soccer game more casual sports fans will watch the jr hi football game. (I agree parents will go to the game regardless of which on it is. So we'll leave them out of the gate money.)

Your saying soccer can only out drawl football if football doesnt exist so...


I dont know if the lue "makes money " at the gate or not. I have nothing to do with them.
Let me ask... If LB was playing a varsity fooball game AT Vanlue and LB was also hosting a home varaity soccer game at the very same time, which event do you think more casual LB fans would attend? Even traveling all the way to the Lue?

And yes! Im fully aware of the cost difference to field each team, as this seems to be the one ,if not the only, argument soccer people continuously bring up to justify thier cause.

Edited by HH75, 12 February 2013 - 01:03 PM.

[Common Sense]

As a division 6 (or 7) school, I think it's very difficult to have football AND soccer. You just pull too many kids from the other sport, and more than likely, the fringe kids are going to migrate to the sport that has a chance to be successful. I'm not saying that you have to have football, and I know many Putnam county schools that don't have football, but they've never had it.

[gamekeeper]

Don't get me wrong I totally agree football even jr. High might draw more than soccer.

My point i was just trying to make. Keeping a program alive just for the sake of tradition seems futile, and I was only offering soccer as an option to start up. For a replacement. Obivously not to try to have both. For something to give kids to do in the fall and the factor that with Basketball you don't need as many players, and soccer does help get players in shape for basketball. So you can still offer sports, Soccer takes less to maintain with uniforms, gear, equipment. The New Knoxville's the Ottovilles, those schools have competative soccer programs as well as basketball teams.
Yes most of us in this area will rather go to a football game, but I would also like to go to a game that isn't a blow out at half time because the opposing team not for lack of effort but of numbers can't be competative.
And I don't want to seem like I am bashing Vanlue, but they are like USV. And USV realized it was futile to try to keep football.

[effingA]

USV kept football... Their program is solid and has been for awhile.

Unless you're playing in Europe or a 3rd world country, soccer doesn't draw comparatively and never will.

[hunt4em]

There is a forum topic for soccer, if you want to talk about it get to the right forum this is American Football, long live the King death to soccer!!

[ADog]

effingA, on 13 February 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

USV kept football... Their program is solid and has been for awhile.

Unless you're playing in Europe or a 3rd world country, soccer doesn't draw comparatively and never will.

Reps for this.......

[roarintiger1]

hunt4em, on 13 February 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

There is a forum topic for soccer, if you want to talk about it get to the right forum this is American Football, long live the King death to soccer!!

The problem is, you talk about doing away with soccer over there and the soccer moms tell you to go back to the football forum.

[Pantherbuff]

Bobby, on 12 February 2013 - 12:18 PM, said:

Not every school makes money on football and basketball. I'd be interested to know if Vanlue and Hardin Northern made money on football this year.

Football might bring in more money than soccer but it costs substantially more, too.

My main point is that football is more populer than soccer, around here and it will bring a larger crowd, provided that you have a good team or better.....witch will more than pay for the expence of the program!!!

[gamekeeper]

Pantherbuff, on 13 February 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

My main point is that football is more populer than soccer, around here and it will bring a larger crowd, provided that you have a good team or better.....witch will more than pay for the expence of the program!!!

Which brings me back to keeping a program that is not competative and is not helping your conference, just because of money,
which seems contradictive to the educational system.

I am real curious to see if vanlue is actually making money in football..

And didn't USV drop football in the late 80's early 90's ...then brought it back once their enrollment went up?

Edited by gamekeeper, 14 February 2013 - 09:10 AM.

[cropduster]

I think USV actually didn't bring football on board until the late seventies or early eighties. This might be the first time ever the school had football. I could be wrong I'm sure someone does know for sure.

[gamekeeper]

cropduster, on 14 February 2013 - 09:55 AM, said:

I think USV actually didn't bring football on board until the late seventies or early eighties. This might be the first time ever the school had football. I could be wrong I'm sure someone does know for sure.

I know that had football in the before the late eighties, because they were in the NWC then. They left that conference in that late 80's and I thought it was becasue they dropped football then, when they brought it back they went to the conference they are in now.
But I could be wrong on it being dropped. I know they were in the NWC though orginally.

[ADog]

USV started football in 1978 and played in the NWC from 1978 -2000 season. In 2001 they had to cancel several games thus withdrawing( not sure if asked to leave or not, cannot remember) They played mainly a JV schedule for a couple of years then joined the NWCC in, I think 2003/2004 or 2004/2005 season for varsity football and other sports

http://www.nwc-sport...erence-members/

[effingA]

They, USV, never dropped football... They did not finish their season in 2000/1 somewhere in there. They then played a JV schedule for several years and then went back to a varsity schedule.
Crestview dropped football all together. Then initiated a JV schedule for a couple years and then went varsity.

[effingA]

Bottom line is, a terrible football team will outdraw a soccer team... at least in NW Ohio.

[gamekeeper]

So your agrument is to keep a program that is no longer competative, so they can at least get gate money the 4 or 5 home games,
I can hear the Coach pep talk now.
"Look, I know you probably won't win, but go out there try your best and don't get hurt we need you literally....our sports budget depends on us." Our conference depends on us for their homecoming games.

[roarintiger1]

gamekeeper, on 15 February 2013 - 09:21 AM, said:

So your agrument is to keep a program that is no longer competative, so they can at least get gate money the 4 or 5 home games,
I can hear the Coach pep talk now.
"Look, I know you probably won't win, but go out there try your best and don't get hurt we need you literally....our sports budget depends on us." Our conference depends on us for their homecoming games.

This would sum up Vanlue's speeches pretty well I would say. Unfortunately, there are several more schools now who are also giving those speeches.

Edited by roarintiger1, 15 February 2013 - 10:27 AM.