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[polkhigh33]

Go to OHSAA.org, 2012 schedules, find your team, go to season, go to what years you want too see

[WhiteBear20]

davidson33, on 26 January 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

So what does that mean?

It was stated that HN only had 20 kids that wanted to play.....

If those freshman don't play, does that mean the roster is down to 15 or something like that? How on earth do they make it through a Varsity schedule with 15 kids?

If I was the other schools in the BVC, I would have real doubts that HN could even complete the season with less than 20 players.

But then, Vanlue is in the same boat with 17, I guess.

The decision was varsity or nothing for HN. Only 13 kids were said to play if a JV schedule was casted. HN will play a full varsity schedule and had 20 some kids that were commited to play this upcoming season at the final meeting at HN, with the few underclassman that won't be playing, the numbers were still in the 20's. Then again last year when this issue was brought up and there was 25+ kids that were commited to play, and HN ended up playing the entire season with 15-18 kids. Time will tell, but HN is scheduled to compete at the varsity level, with 20+ kids commited to play as of now.

[Ericles]

WhiteBear20, on 29 January 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

The decision was varsity or nothing for HN. Only 13 kids were said to play if a JV schedule was casted. HN will play a full varsity schedule and had 20 some kids that were commited to play this upcoming season at the final meeting at HN, with the few underclassman that won't be playing, the numbers were still in the 20's. Then again last year when this issue was brought up and there was 25+ kids that were commited to play, and HN ended up playing the entire season with 15-18 kids. Time will tell, but HN is scheduled to compete at the varsity level, with 20+ kids commited to play as of now.

Exactly. While I bristle at the notion of some people wanting to boot HN from the BVC because of a "will they or won't they play this week" belief, even though Vanlue has been in that boat for 25+ years, we've been down this road before - just one short year ago. What's to say we won't be down that path again in January 2014? How long will it go on?

[Bluetiger76]

playmaker, on 29 January 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Can you provide a link to the schedule?

Most of the 2014 schedules are still to be completed. But here is what I heard the divisions woud look like at this point:

LB, McComb, Arlington, HN, CR, Arcadia

Hopewell, Leipsic, VB, NB, Vanlue, PG

You will play all the teams in your division, then the top 3 teams cross over and the bottom 3 teams cross over, creating an 8 game schedule. Then you have two more "open" games to fill in week 1 and week 2.

I think that is how it will work.

[polkhigh33]

According to HL's schedule the above scenerio looks correct. Their two NL games are Calvert and Elmwood, which means McComb has two new teams on the schedule.

[WhiteBear20]

Ericles, on 29 January 2013 - 11:01 PM, said:

Exactly. While I bristle at the notion of some people wanting to boot HN from the BVC because of a "will they or won't they play this week" belief, even though Vanlue has been in that boat for 25+ years, we've been down this road before - just one short year ago. What's to say we won't be down that path again in January 2014? How long will it go on?

The junior and senior classes for next years team only have 6-7 kids between both classes that play football. These were the classes that didn't get to play junior high football do to numbers. The younger classes at HN right now(7th,8th,9th) have a good number of kids that go out for sports and many of them are skilled athletes. If HN can just battle and make it through these next few years, it looks like the numbers should be back in the 30's for HN football in two years time.

[Bluetiger76]

WhiteBear20, on 30 January 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

The junior and senior classes for next years team only have 6-7 kids between both classes that play football. These were the classes that didn't get to play junior high football do to numbers. The younger classes at HN right now(7th,8th,9th) have a good number of kids that go out for sports and many of them are skilled athletes. If HN can just battle and make it through these next few years, it looks like the numbers should be back in the 30's for HN football in two years time.

Too bad the Bears couldn't sit out "two years" which would allow the other BVC opponents an opportunity to establish a home and away with another program.

Edited by Bluetiger76, 30 January 2013 - 09:19 PM.

[BOB]

In my opinion, Hardin Northern will have great difficulty getting the numbers back up over 30 in the near future. Playing the schedule that they play with games against LB, Lepisic, McComb, Hopewell Louden, and Ada will destoy the program. If they really want to save football they need to play a jv schedule for two years then return back to varsity play in the nwcc the same way as USV. No way anyone with any ability stays in that school district. Arlington, Ada, Riverdale and Kenton makes more sense for the younger bears.

[WhiteBear20]

Bluetiger76, on 30 January 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Too bad the Bears couldn't sit out "two years" which would allow the other BVC opponents an opportunity to establish a home and away with another program.

In a sence i'm sure alot would agree that it is to bad that the bears couldn't sit out a year or two, but it's not that easy. I personally feel if that would happen, then the football program would never come back at Hardin Northern. No pun intended here Blue Tiger but i personally feel like LB leaving the BVC would benefit not only LB as a sports program(all programs), but the BVC as well would benefit from it. I see it as a win/win. Then again, i'm sure it's not that easy to up and leave the conference that LB has called home for many many years. Just my opinion.

[Bluetiger76]

WhiteBear20, on 30 January 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

In a sence i'm sure alot would agree that it is to bad that the bears couldn't sit out a year or two, but it's not that easy. I personally feel if that would happen, then the football program would never come back at Hardin Northern.

I see both sides to this Bear. I wonder if you stay in the BVC for two more years with the number of kids everyone is throwing out on RC, if HN will ever come back after getting beat 60-6 every week for the next two years. I would think going 0-20 in 2013 and 2014 would not generate a lot of interest for playing football at HN. And getting beat by the Lue has to bite..... for a program that was once truly feared.

On the other hand I was not saying do away with football in 2013 and 2014, I was thinking more on the lines of scheduling 10 Ridgemonts and Ridgedales.

I guess at this point its a catch 22...your damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[Horizon]

There has been a change in thinking over the last few years at McComb, Leipsic, and Van Buren. Most now believe that the best path ahead lies with affiliating with larger schools that can field a full slate of teams (varsity, jv, freshmen, and junior high). Schools like LB and HL can do that and also bring a larger fan base to the away games. That revenue is what helps to pay the bills for McComb, Leipsic, and the rest of the league. Having HN or Vanlue on your football schedule as a home game is a lost opportunity for revenue. For that reason alone, LB will have a home in the BVC as long as they want to stay.

[Bluetiger76]

WhiteBear20, on 30 January 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

No pun intended here Blue Tiger but i personally feel like LB leaving the BVC would benefit not only LB as a sports program(all programs), but the BVC as well would benefit from it. I see it as a win/win.

You need to explain to me how it benefits the BVC, Bear ..... If memory serves, the last time LB won the conference in baseball was 2009 (4 years ago). The 2012 basketball season was highlighted by Arlington making it to state, and The A-town girls won it all. I believe Van Buren has been the successful golf program over the years and LB's soccer teams don't even play in the BVC. And as for football:

LB's recent conference standings:
2009 - finished tied 4th in the conference (tied with PG)
2010 - finished 3rd in conference
2011 - finished 2nd in conference (but upset LCC in playoffs for a nice BVC win)
2012 - finished 2nd in the conference (made it to state semi's, another nice showing for the BVC -along with McComb)

LB takes no playoff slot away from the D6 schools in the conference (being D5), and actually many of these years, a total of 4 BVC teams makes the playoffs. Including Arcadia in 2011.

I know the teams that have been beating LB like McComb and Leipsic appreciate the computer points. Leipsic has beaten LB 3 of the last 4 years.

As mentioned by "Herizon", LB is a nice gate and concession sale for the hosting BVC schools. HN once was a feature article in the Findlay Courier talking about that exact subject (LB visiting HN)

And lastly the facilities are top notch for visiting BVC teams.

So....I'm just not sure how LB leaving the BVC, benefits the BVC??

Actually I guess the better question would be, "Why would you want them to leave"?

Edited by Bluetiger76, 31 January 2013 - 08:06 AM.

[Buckshot]

Wow! did you hit a homerun on that piece Blue Tiger. The only comment I can add is... I don't see how the departure of LB could help the issues that Vanlue - HN- Arcadia and even Cory rawson have.. and that's low numbers. Hardin Northern's request to the league was not only I don;t want to play LB, but I don't want to play Leipsic, Arlington, MCComb and Van Buren either. Sounds to me the problem lies within HN. Vanlue has never made that similar request.

[cropduster]

It goes in cycles...you could've had this same conversation about l-b's football program not long ago less than 15 years ago. Membership to this conference should be determined by the whole body of work not just the last several years. In the case of problems at HN it can be attributed to the current athletic director who made that stupid proposal at a league meeting. HN needs a major overhaul when it comes to athletic director, coaches, etc.

[Bluetiger76]

cropduster, on 31 January 2013 - 10:26 AM, said:

It goes in cycles

This says it all. Best wishes to the HN program. I hope things improve.

[polkhigh33]

Talent cycles yes, but your talking about the ability to even field a team. The BVC used to just worry about Vanlue, but now HN. That's 20 percent of a team's 10 games that either will struggle to field a team or won't put up a fight if they do. Toss in North Baltimore, who was pitiful in the MAL, and Arcadia and it's a heavy bottom in the BVC.

[davidson33]

polkhigh33, on 31 January 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Talent cycles yes, but your talking about the ability to even field a team. The BVC used to just worry about Vanlue, but now HN. That's 20 percent of a team's 10 games that either will struggle to field a team or won't put up a fight if they do. Toss in North Baltimore, who was pitiful in the MAL, and Arcadia and it's a heavy bottom in the BVC.

Ummm....yeah.

Rosters

Vanlue. 17 apparently
HN. We are hearing 20.
North Baltimore. 22 last year.
P-G. 28 last year.
Cory Rawson. 30 last year.
Arcadia. 28 last year.

6 teams with 30 or less players next year. Wow.

[Bluetiger76]

davidson33, on 31 January 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Ummm....yeah.

Rosters

Vanlue. 17 apparently
HN. We are hearing 20.
North Baltimore. 22 last year.
P-G. 28 last year.
Cory Rawson. 30 last year.
Arcadia. 28 last year.

6 teams with 30 or less players next year. Wow.

An obvious comment here, but Vanlue and HN can't even scrimmage at practice (IE....11 on 11)

[polkhigh33]

And when you can't practice properly, injuries happen.

[WhiteBear20]

Bluetiger76, on 31 January 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

You need to explain to me how it benefits the BVC, Bear ..... If memory serves, the last time LB won the conference in baseball was 2009 (4 years ago). The 2012 basketball season was highlighted by Arlington making it to state, and The A-town girls won it all. I believe Van Buren has been the successful golf program over the years and LB's soccer teams don't even play in the BVC. And as for football: LB's recent conference standings: 2009 - finished tied 4th in the conference (tied with PG) 2010 - finished 3rd in conference 2011 - finished 2nd in conference (but upset LCC in playoffs for a nice BVC win) 2012 - finished 2nd in the conference (made it to state semi's, another nice showing for the BVC -along with McComb) LB takes no playoff slot away from the D6 schools in the conference (being D5), and actually many of these years, a total of 4 BVC teams makes the playoffs. Including Arcadia in 2011. I know the teams that have been beating LB like McComb and Leipsic appreciate the computer points. Leipsic has beaten LB 3 of the last 4 years. As mentioned by "Herizon", LB is a nice gate and concession sale for the hosting BVC schools. HN once was a feature article in the Findlay Courier talking about that exact subject (LB visiting HN) And lastly the facilities are top notch for visiting BVC teams. So....I'm just not sure how LB leaving the BVC, benefits the BVC?? Actually I guess the better question would be, "Why would you want them to leave"?

Great response Tiger, no pun intended as said. My own personal opinion. The way it kinda works out is that for every 1 kid the smaller schools in the BVC has, Liberty Benton has a choice of 3 to 4 kids to that 1, if that makes since. It's been said that LB has 50+ kids in the weightroom right now in the offseason, which is great for the program at LB but the schools size difference compared to the rest of the BVC except maybe VB is quite a jump. So that is primarily what i mean by my statement of LB leaving the conference being a benefit to the BVC, again with no pun intended. As far as LB being a gate and concession sale for the BVC, with top notch facilities i absolutely agree. I never said i'd like to see LB leave the conference Tiger, i just pressed my opinion that i could see it as a benefit for both LB and the BVC but as i said, the BVC is and has been home to LB for many years and i don't mind it staying that way. I also would most definetly like to see HN play 10 Ridgemont's and Ridgedale's for the next few years as well but unfortanetely Tiger you and i don't get to make those decisions .

Edited by WhiteBear20, 01 February 2013 - 12:10 AM.