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[jeffcat-bucki]

pokercat, on 25 December 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

DMan-So any time Lima Sr loses to Ottawa,Shawnee,Elida etc. they are underachieving,cause they have more kids to draw from??That is crazy.. I will agree LCC underachieved 2 seasons ago,losing to both Crestview and Columbus Grove in NWC play..(with a team that returned alot from previous years state championship team)..But last season running the table in NWC and losing to OG in regional final was not an underachieving season..(with many young players)

Lima Sr is bad simply because they don't get enough of their talent to try out and haven't had a system or players in place long enough to sustain any type of success. I would like to see somebody get a hold of that situation...don't ask me how, because I don't how, but I'm sure there is a ton of talent inside of Senior for somebody to get their hands on. The other positive too is they are D2 now, so it gets a little easier for them...assuming they make the playoffs.

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 25 December 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

I just take solace in knowing that when I played against LCC, I threw one of their lineman through the air, into their punter, and blocked their punt. The guy I threw was one of my friends over there and I think he is still scared of me to this day.

Surrrrreeee ya did.

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 25 December 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Surrrrreeee ya did.

Perhaps it was clutch?

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 December 2012 - 12:05 AM, said:

Perhaps it was clutch?

Now you're really dreaming. You probably threw your trumpet in the air and blocked a little kids punt at halftime. Close enough....

[Week 10 All-American]

ADog, on 25 December 2012 - 05:06 PM, said:

No, No, No Clutch...I yelled "When does your fIsh frys start".....I love them "AYCE" fry's.

Disclaimer: Calm down..only kidding...........

AYCE Fish- delicious!!!

[Dman]

DMan-So any time Lima Sr loses to Ottawa,Shawnee,Elida etc. they are underachieving,cause they have more kids to draw from??

I think it is a reasonable opinion to believe that a private school with a "superior education" that...

• Draws from an area of 40,000...
  
• Gets to hand pick the students it chooses to educate (and send the bad apples to Perry)
  
• Has a mouthy bunch of internet posters who feel fit to chastise other NWC schools with their air of superiority

​...ought to be able to beat a public institution that draws from 9000 people AT LEAST 8 out of 10 times! That is not happening. Therfore I think underachieving is indeed a fair description.

At least when it comes to basketball...I think those interested in the superior methods should look to Putnam county in lieu of the small private school in Allen. Regardless of what some mouthy LCC internet posters might lead you to believe while they are chastizing the smaller communities in our area... There is one small community that is doing MORE with less. I dare say that LCC's methods are not "superior." Ottawa's are...

Additionally, when Perry accepts a kicked out kid from LCC to be the star on their basketball team, it's "cleaning up the mess," but when LCC accepts a kicked out kid from Bath, it's recruiting.

I always find it interesting that in these hard moments of reality...LCC fan wants to be treated exactly like every other school. We are now suppose to put on our "fairness" blinders and assume that Lima Perry and LCC are equals.

Whenever LCC is taking an athlete from another community, we get the "superior education" justification. When LCC has something to GAIN...they have no problem telling the whole world how it is "not their fault" that they are a "better" academic institution.

But IF they (LCC) are truly a superior academic institution...? Why is Perry cleaning up their mess this time? How nice and convienient it must be to dump your problems off on somebody else.

The way I was raised...we don't call that a "superior education." We call that hypocritical horse*******!


P.S. While the vanity of the typical LCC supporter ON RC will surly lead to a kneejerk response...which will just as easily be discredited as all before... The educated poster realizes that I, and many others are/were perfectly satisfied to let LCC fanboy go on deluding themselves that their "superiority" is a tangible object unrelated to their operational/circumstantial benefits. All they had to do was keep their mouths shut and leave the conference quietly. From an administration standpoint, and to LCC's credit, they were all willing to do just that (absent one mouthy football coach). Unfortunately, the kid posters on RC seem to lack the common decency to turn the other cheek. Every opportunity to badmouth a remaining NWC school/community is illuminated with glee.

It is in that spirit that I joyously REBUT LCC fanboy’s delusions of grandeur with a little reality.

Edited by Dman, 26 December 2012 - 10:33 AM.

[clutch]

Dman, on 26 December 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

DMan-So any time Lima Sr loses to Ottawa,Shawnee,Elida etc. they are underachieving,cause they have more kids to draw from??

I think it is a reasonable opinion to believe that a private school with a "superior education" that...

• Draws from an area of 40,000...
  
• Gets to hand pick the students it chooses to educate (and send the bad apples to Perry)
  
• Has a mouthy bunch of internet posters who feel fit to chastise other NWC schools with their air of superiority

​...ought to be able to beat a public institution that draws from 9000 people AT LEAST 8 out of 10 times! That is not happening. Therfore I think underachieving is indeed a fair description.

At least when it comes to basketball...I think those interested in the superior methods should look to Putnam county in lieu of the small private school in Allen. Regardless of what some mouthy LCC internet posters might lead you to believe while they are chastizing the smaller communities in our area... There is one small community that is doing MORE with less. I dare say that LCC's methods are not "superior." Ottawa's are...

Additionally, when Perry accepts a kicked out kid from LCC to be the star on their basketball team, it's "cleaning up the mess," but when LCC accepts a kicked out kid from Bath, it's recruiting.

I always find it interesting that in these hard moments of reality...LCC fan wants to be treated exactly like every other school. We are now suppose to put on our "fairness" blinders and assume that Lima Perry and LCC are equals.

Whenever LCC is taking an athlete from another community, we get the "superior education" justification. When LCC has something to GAIN...they have no problem telling the whole world how it is "not their fault" that they are a "better" academic institution.

But IF they (LCC) are truly a superior academic institution...? Why is Perry cleaning up their mess this time? How nice and convienient it must be to dump your problems off on somebody else.

The way I was raised...we don't call that a "superior education." We call that hypocritical horse*******!


P.S. While the vanity of the typical LCC supporter ON RC will surly lead to a kneejerk response...which will just as easily be discredited as all before... The educated poster realizes that I, and many others are/were perfectly satisfied to let LCC fanboy go on deluding themselves that their "superiority" is a tangible object unrelated to their operational/circumstantial benefits. All they had to do was keep their mouths shut and leave the conference quietly. From an administration standpoint, and to LCC's credit, they were all willing to do just that (absent one mouthy football coach). Unfortunately, the kid posters on RC seem to lack the common decency to turn the other cheek. Every opportunity to badmouth a remaining NWC school/community is illuminated with glee.

It is in that spirit that I joyously REBUT LCC fanboy’s delusions of grandeur with a little reality.

What is the confusion on hodges? "Cleaning up their mess"? What? He was expelled and went to perry lol. Lcc didn't send him there to punish him, he was expelled.

Lcc "draws" from a population of 40000 along with 6 other highschools. 6 other highschools that are free to attend. Who has the advantage?

This ******* is annoying. You're complaining about lcc fans complaining.

[Rd2Glory]

Dman, on 25 December 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Underachieving is a few years removed from a state championship and regional appearances the last two years?

As compared to Ottawa...LCC is a huge underachiever. Ottawa does so much more with less... I could not even imagine how large the gap would be between a small Putnam County Catholic private and LCC... As good as LCC is...they should be so much better.

I do understand that for those LCC posters whose ego-gratification is derived through denouncing smaller schools in the area...bringing up Ottawa is uncomfortable. While indeed not an apple to apple comparison...since LCC also enjoys advantages over Ottawa (if to a lesser extent)... It does serve as a nice spring board to demonstrate how out of line some LCC fan's egos can contort.

You take issue with LCC getting kids from public schools

I take issue with pompous LCC fans denouncing other NWC teams and communities...particularly when you compare LCC's achievements within the context of their advantages and realize their achievements aren't nearly as impressive as the inflated ego of their average RC poster might indicate. I do acknowledge LCC's athletic/academic success. I believe that their kid's accomplishments should not be tarnished by the actions of a few pompous internet posters. But it would be a disservice to the informed RC poster to not point out that what Ottawa accomplishes is a much more impressive and difficult feat.

You point out the disadvantage that OG only pulls kids from "within their boundary" yet no mention of the advantage that they automatically get every single athlete living within their boundary

I point out that Ottawa achieves more with less.

I point out that if Putnam County had a small private Catholic school that operated exactly like LCC does in Allen County…the Putnam County equivalent would whoop LCC’s ass on a regular basis.

We know this by observing how Ottawa ALONE competes within the confines a public institution presents. I could not imagine how damn good a hypothetical Putnam County private Catholic school would be in sports. The ability to cherry pick the best of Putnam County via the lure of a “superior private education” from Ottawa, Columbus Grove, Kalida, Ottoville, Fort Jennings, Pandora, Miller City, Leipsic… (the combined population total of which would still be less than what LCC enjoys for their pickings)…would ultimately lead to the BEST small school basketball program in this state. This would be true, even if some of the better players chose to stay at their home school.

When looked at in this context, which is a much more fair comparison than expecting Allen East to match LCC’s prowess on the hardwood… One can make a very sound argument that LCC’s accomplishments are really not too special.

LCC’s accomplishments are certainly deserving of respect. But their accomplishments do not reach the level where their disrespecting posters get a free pass to belittle the small public NWC institutions. If a few of their pompous attitudes continue to seek refuge in these forums…it is only fair that the opposition point to a community like Ottawa as means to stuff their traps.

Couldn't it just be that OG is overachieving? Especially given the fact that they are doing so much more than all of the other public schools under the same set of circumstances? If LCC is underachieving and OG is not overachieving, then the other schools in this area have been severely underachieving over the last few years.

LCC doesn't stand for "Allen County Central Catholic" and they don't pull kids from all over Allen County. They pull kids from Lima and I would bet that 99% of the students live within a 15 miles radius of the school. Additionally, many of the 40,000 Lima residents you continue to rant about are the same type of "low income" families that many were on here a few months ago saying shouldn't count as a full student for athletic enrollment purposes.

The vast majority of posts from LCC fans here on the RC are defending the school when it is attacked by others (typically members of those other NWC communities). When people start slinging mud at LCC, don't get all bent out of shape when LCC fans run to their defense and start slinging back. If LCC would have lost to Undefeated state ranked crestview last weekend, this place would've blown up. Instead, LCC won, the score showed up in the "final updates" thread, and that was the end of it. I think that's telling.

[Rd2Glory]

Mr Bearcat, on 25 December 2012 - 04:59 PM, said:

The School/Church they represent is OTTAWA St. Peter and Paul, so it only makes sense they would wind up at Ottawa-Glandorf. Therfore your argument is Not the same as LCC pulling kids from Bath, Elida or Shawnee.

You know that Shawnee is officially titled "Lima Shawnee High School" and people who live in Shawnee have "Lima, OH" addresses? Same for Bath I believe. You wouldn't even know you were "leaving" Lima and entering one of these other townships. I know a few people who officially live in Elida, are in the Shawnee school district, and attend LCC.

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 26 December 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

Now you're really dreaming. You probably threw your trumpet in the air and blocked a little kids punt at halftime. Close enough....

No, although at the rate we were blocking them, I bet our trumpeters probably could have done that.

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 26 December 2012 - 11:13 AM, said:

What is the confusion on hodges? "Cleaning up their mess"? What? He was expelled and went to perry lol. Lcc didn't send him there to punish him, he was expelled.

Lcc "draws" from a population of 40000 along with 6 other highschools. 6 other highschools that are free to attend. Who has the advantage?

This ******* is annoying. You're complaining about lcc fans complaining.

In terms of athletics or PERCIEVED athletic success? LCC

[Rd2Glory]

Dman, on 26 December 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

DMan-So any time Lima Sr loses to Ottawa,Shawnee,Elida etc. they are underachieving,cause they have more kids to draw from??

I think it is a reasonable opinion to believe that a private school with a "superior education" that...

• Draws from an area of 40,000...
  
• Gets to hand pick the students it chooses to educate (and send the bad apples to Perry)
  
• Has a mouthy bunch of internet posters who feel fit to chastise other NWC schools with their air of superiority

​...ought to be able to beat a public institution that draws from 9000 people AT LEAST 8 out of 10 times! That is not happening. Therfore I think underachieving is indeed a fair description.

At least when it comes to basketball...I think those interested in the superior methods should look to Putnam county in lieu of the small private school in Allen. Regardless of what some mouthy LCC internet posters might lead you to believe while they are chastizing the smaller communities in our area... There is one small community that is doing MORE with less. I dare say that LCC's methods are not "superior." Ottawa's are...

Additionally, when Perry accepts a kicked out kid from LCC to be the star on their basketball team, it's "cleaning up the mess," but when LCC accepts a kicked out kid from Bath, it's recruiting.

I always find it interesting that in these hard moments of reality...LCC fan wants to be treated exactly like every other school. We are now suppose to put on our "fairness" blinders and assume that Lima Perry and LCC are equals.

Whenever LCC is taking an athlete from another community, we get the "superior education" justification. When LCC has something to GAIN...they have no problem telling the whole world how it is "not their fault" that they are a "better" academic institution.

But IF they (LCC) are truly a superior academic institution...? Why is Perry cleaning up their mess this time? How nice and convienient it must be to dump your problems off on somebody else.

The way I was raised...we don't call that a "superior education." We call that hypocritical horse*******!


P.S. While the vanity of the typical LCC supporter ON RC will surly lead to a kneejerk response...which will just as easily be discredited as all before... The educated poster realizes that I, and many others are/were perfectly satisfied to let LCC fanboy go on deluding themselves that their "superiority" is a tangible object unrelated to their operational/circumstantial benefits. All they had to do was keep their mouths shut and leave the conference quietly. From an administration standpoint, and to LCC's credit, they were all willing to do just that (absent one mouthy football coach). Unfortunately, the kid posters on RC seem to lack the common decency to turn the other cheek. Every opportunity to badmouth a remaining NWC school/community is illuminated with glee.

It is in that spirit that I joyously REBUT LCC fanboy’s delusions of grandeur with a little reality.

LCC does not "hand pick" the students it gets. It gets to pick from the students who first choose it (which currently is only available to those who can afford the tuition or have a voucher) and virtually no one has been turned down. On the same note, I know a doctor who lives in the Lima city school district and had a daughter in junior high. He called one of the surrounding public schools and asked if he could get his daughter in the school system. They responded that they didn't have any more spots available for open enrollment students. He then called back a day later and made sure to introduce himself as Dr. so-and-so, and was immediately transferred to the superintendent and his daughter was later accepted.

LCC fans constantly argue that it's not their fault parents choose to send their kids there. That is for a number of reasons and is different for every family. LCC fans will tell you that Shawnee also has a "superior education" relative to immediately surrounding schools. That is why you'll find a number of students with Lima City Schools district addresses attending Shawnee.

Adam Good leaving Bath to come to LCC was no different than Bruce Hodges leaving LCC to go to Perry, regardless of how you want to frame it. Also, no one argued that Adam Good came for a superior education. He came because the Bath superintendent wouldn't sign off for him to play sports at another WBL school (Shawnee and Elida were his first choices), and he chose LCC over Lima Senior and Perry. (LCC's superintendent didn't and couldn't sign off on Hodges, because you don't have to sit out a year when you move from a private school to a public school). No one is complaining about Hodges leaving or saying it's unfair or anything like that. All I was asking was that people be consistent in their viewpoints, instead of coming on here and spewing long-winded hypocritical horse*****

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 26 December 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Couldn't it just be that OG is overachieving? Especially given the fact that they are doing so much more than all of the other public schools under the same set of circumstances? If LCC is underachieving and OG is not overachieving, then the other schools in this area have been severely underachieving over the last few years.

LCC doesn't stand for "Allen County Central Catholic" and they don't pull kids from all over Allen County. They pull kids from Lima and I would bet that 99% of the students live within a 15 miles radius of the school. Additionally, many of the 40,000 Lima residents you continue to rant about are the same type of "low income" families that many were on here a few months ago saying shouldn't count as a full student for athletic enrollment purposes.

The vast majority of posts from LCC fans here on the RC are defending the school when it is attacked by others (typically members of those other NWC communities). When people start slinging mud at LCC, don't get all bent out of shape when LCC fans run to their defense and start slinging back. If LCC would have lost to Undefeated state ranked crestview last weekend, this place would've blown up. Instead, LCC won, the score showed up in the "final updates" thread, and that was the end of it. I think that's telling.

Just like this thread right?

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 December 2012 - 12:55 PM, said:

In terms of athletics or PERCIEVED athletic success? LCC

The majority of the transfers from lima city schools go to which school? Elida and shawnee....I wonder why. Probably because its free.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 26 December 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

You know that Shawnee is officially titled "Lima Shawnee High School" and people who live in Shawnee have "Lima, OH" addresses? Same for Bath I believe. You wouldn't even know you were "leaving" Lima and entering one of these other townships. I know a few people who officially live in Elida, are in the Shawnee school district, and attend LCC.

I'm not sure if you are disproving his point or if you are just reinforcing the fact that LCC has the entire city of Lima and it's township addressed school areas to choose from.

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 26 December 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

The majority of the transfers from lima city schools go to which school? Elida and shawnee....I wonder why. Probably because its free.

....and probably why people are very much against Captain Huffman's voucher proposals.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 December 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Just like this thread right?

This thread is and was stupid from the start. The pompous, arrogant, hate has run both ways. My example with the Crestview game was to point out that it does, in fact, run both ways.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 26 December 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

This thread is and was stupid from the start. The pompous, arrogant, hate has run both ways. My example with the Crestview game was to point out that it does, in fact, run both ways.

Are you surprised by this? People hated Coop going to LCC even before his 1st season at LCC. It shouldn't be any surprise. Likewise, when LCC came into the NWC, nobody had a problem with Seggerson and very few still do.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 December 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

I'm not sure if you are disproving his point or if you are just reinforcing the fact that LCC has the entire city of Lima and it's township addressed school areas to choose from.

I don't have any problem with SPPS kids attending OG. I have a problem with people who get upset with LCC getting public school kids, but don't think twice about OG getting every graduate from a Catholic elementary school. Mr. Bearcat pointed out that the church SPPS represents is "OTTAWA St. Peter and Paul," and so therefore my argument was stupid. I pointed out that the public schools LCC receives some students from that people complain about are "LIMA Bath," "LIMA Shawnee," and "LIMA Senior." My original post wasn't to disprove or reinforce Mr. Bearcat's. It was too acknowledge that his argument is applicable to LCC the same way he applied it to OG.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 26 December 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Are you surprised by this? People hated Coop going to LCC even before his 1st season at LCC. It shouldn't be any surprise. Likewise, when LCC came into the NWC, nobody had a problem with Seggerson and very few still do.

No, I'm not suprised, this has been going on since 2005. I don't expect it to stop next year, but am hopeful it will die down after that. These threads go way beyond Coop or Seg, so I find that to be a moot point.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 26 December 2012 - 01:25 PM.