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[Wilco98]

jeffcat-bucki, on 14 December 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

What? So you are acknowledging that they are openly admitting to essentially "recruiting" players away from each other, but the idea that they are taking students from public schools is such a far out idea because of that?

I'm sorry I require more proof than what you can provide to tell me that these things happen. Look, I'm not stupid and I'm not blind. I just like to see solid proof of the things schools are accused of before I reach a conclusion about them. And, no, I didn't acknowledge what you say I did. I merely said you were telling me about it when the proof I was looking for was for something else entirely. Your reading comprehension skills are a little rusty there, jeffy.

Again...your ball.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 14 December 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

Quite a few do for the "education", although based on the number of LCC grads I witnessed through college, that doesn't say much considering half of them were either kicked out, arrested, or drank their lives away. That's not to say LCC's education isn't good, because with their "newer" wing they built and their AP college style environments, they have nice facilities and faculty, but they also don't have to release their academic achievement results and will instead try to bribe people into the notion that "90 something % of their students go on to a college education", but I'd love to see some follow up data on how many of them actually graduate from college. I saw one of their best and brightest math students(math award winner I suppose), drink himself in to the ground, delve in to chronic drug abuse, skip class, and then for a Biology paper, scan his own friend's bio paper and turned it in as his own work....with his friend's name still on the paper. Needless to say, OSU showed him the door in his 1st year at OSU and rightfully so.

Now before painting a ridiculously skewed image of that half of LCC(and a lot of privates for that matter) people, there is a very bright and intelligent half that does well, but I think the moral of the story is their "academics" are a bit overstated and you can get just as high quality of an education from Shawnee, Elida, Bath, and dare I even say Lima Senior. For the exceptional academic student, they can thrive in most any environment that is conducive to some degree of education. Outside of the international and abroad students at OSU, some of the best and brightest are not from your "super schools", but from just about anywhere and everywhere public and private. I have seen very little correlation with the excellent students and their high school backgrounds as it falls mostly on the household and student them self.

So many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to start. Perhaps I will later in the day when I'm not busy or "drinking my life away."

For the record, in my graduating class of 94, 93 went to college. The one that didn't graduated from Apollo and went to work in whatever his area of expertise was. That's 99%, so I don't know that they need to "bribe" anyone into believing anything.

Also, chances are your math wiz friend doesn't exist. Nice story though.

[Rd2Glory]

JohnMcClane, on 14 December 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

So you're telling us that LCC is made up of good catholic kids and the only reason they attend is for the catholic education. How many of the non-catholic LCC students every end up taking a RCIA class to join the church. My guess that is a low number. Are there other reasons to attend a religious school if you don't every plan to become a member of the church.

Um, no. I'm pretty sure all I said was that Maltese Falcon likely had very little clue as to who is a part of the student body. There are a lot of different kids from a lot of different backgrounds who attend the school for a variety of reasons. There are plenty of kids at LCC who are not Catholic and don't intend to become Catholic (though I've never known anyone who went there that wasn't Christian). There are tons of other reasons to attend a religious school if you don't ever plan to become a member of the church. One of my best friends in high school is Lutheran. He didn't play sports and he went to LCC because his parents wanted a private school environment where people were there because they wanted to be. I've also known kids who've attended LCC who's fathers were ministers at other (non-Catholic) churches. Thanks for showing your ignorance about Catholic schools and LCC inparticular.

[paperboy]

jeffcat-bucki, on 14 December 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Special Ed curriculum students.

So how do those kids have a harmful impact on, say, a football team?

[Rd2Glory]

paperboy, on 14 December 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

So how do those kids have a harmful impact on, say, a football team?

He's arguing that a public school with 100 boys really has less than 100 boys that can participate in football because some of them are special ed kids who couldn't contribute to the football team. It's a flawed argument because it doesn't recognize that private schools also have special ed kids. Additionally, even if these "special ed" kids had "full ability" that might result in 2 or 3 more kids on the football team, max.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 14 December 2012 - 04:15 PM.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 14 December 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

So many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to start. Perhaps I will later in the day when I'm not busy or "drinking my life away."

For the record, in my graduating class of 94, 93 went to college. The one that didn't graduated from Apollo and went to work in whatever his area of expertise was. That's 99%, so I don't know that they need to "bribe" anyone into believing anything.

Also, chances are your math wiz friend doesn't exist. Nice story though.

I'm sure the LCC higher ups would like to make it seem like they don't exist.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 14 December 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

He's arguing that a public school with 100 boys really has less than 100 boys that can participate in football because some of them are special ed kids who couldn't contribute to the football team. It's a flawed argument because it doesn't recognize that private schools also have special ed kids. Additionally, even if these "special ed" kids had "full ability" that might result in 2 or 3 more kids on the football team, max.

I can tell you right now in the Delphos City school system, that is more than 2-3 boys let alone kids.

With that being said as a Jefferson alum, we are very proud of that program and proud of the kids within that program and hope for it to thrive in the future.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 14 December 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

I can tell you right now in the Delphos City school system, that is more than 2-3 boys let alone kids.

With that being said as a Jefferson alum, we are very proud of that program and proud of the kids within that program and hope for it to thrive in the future.

I'm not saying there's only 2-3 boys in the program. Not every kid in the program would be on the football team if they weren't special ed.

LCC and all of the grade schools have special ed programs. There are a number of kids at LCC right now with a variety of mental and physical disorders.

[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 14 December 2012 - 04:24 PM, said:

I'm sure the LCC higher ups would like to make it seem like they don't exist.

I didn't say that no LCC grad has ever let themselves go to waste in college. I said your story about your specific "top of the school in math" friend is very likely made up.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 14 December 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

I'm not saying there's only 2-3 boys in the program. Not every kid in the program would be on the football team if they weren't special ed.

LCC and all of the grade schools have special ed programs. There are a number of kids at LCC right now with a variety of mental and physical disorders.

No, they wouldn't...but they are still counted in to the school's enrollment which is the point I think he was trying to get across.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 14 December 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I didn't say that no LCC grad has ever let themselves go to waste in college. I said your story about your specific "top of the school in math" friend is very likely made up.

It "very likely" wasn't since I knew the kid going back to my HS days.

If it's any consolation, there was a very bright LCC grad in that same class I believe who was an international student and while I didn't follow him after he moved away, was excelling quite well in his Master's program in Mechanical Engineering. Obviously, I have no idea how it panned out for him, but I'm sure he is doing quite well based on the character of the individual.

[flounder]

Bucki......

Talk about being a troll.......hey, wilco wants you to provide solid info....lmao....so do I...how about from now on, giving us some names...if not, then dates and who we can contact.......my god, you have more $hit than a Christmas turkey!!!!!!!

[Mr Bearcat]

JohnMcClane, on 14 December 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

So you're telling us that LCC is made up of good catholic kids and the only reason they attend is for the catholic education. How many of the non-catholic LCC students every end up taking a RCIA class to join the church. My guess that is a low number. Are there other reasons to attend a religious school if you don't every plan to become a member of the church.

This has been a point I have been saying on here for awhile! I think you should be Catholic, or wanting to Convert before you can attend Any Catholic School(Not just limited to LCC).

[Bobby]

Mr Bearcat, on 14 December 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

This has been a point I have been saying on here for awhile! I think you should be Catholic, or wanting to Convert before you can attend Any Catholic School(Not just limited to LCC).

Why?

[Mr Bearcat]

Bobby, on 14 December 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Why?

Because they teach Catholic Religion Classes.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Bobby, on 14 December 2012 - 10:01 PM, said:

Why?

I've always found it to be a valid point. While I understand people go there for other motives, you could ultimately be a Satanist and attend LCC for only athletics and be accepted there with open arms. It seems morally wrong by the code of ethics set up by LCC themselves with the premise of being a catholic based school, but all they REALLY care about is $$$ and bragging rights, so it's essentially just as much of a cover as "sports ed" was for C.A.P.E.

[flounder]

I kind of agree with the students being of catholic faith....after all, we make the claim about getting a catholic education...we stress our faith, yet, is it acceptable to enroll students who are....say atheists.....I guess, we can always hope to convert them, but if you run a catholic school for catholic students and you emphasize that you provide a catholic education......well, to enroll other students of little or no faith seems hypocrisy to me.....

But, one must remember....many catholic schools accept students of any faith just so they can keep their doors open.....it really isn't for the athlete....if the student is a good athlete....fine, but the bottom line is the catholic schools have a budget to maintain....and the only way to maintain it is through increased enrollment!!!!!!

It's pretty simple.....we believe in our faith, but running our schools is like running a private business.....key word here is private business.....not public supported......which also could be related to gov't supported!!!!!!

[Bobby]

Mr Bearcat, on 14 December 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

Because they teach Catholic Religion Classes.

You don't have to be Catholic to take Catholic religion classes or to get a Catholic education. When this "atheist" enrolls at DSJ, they are required to take four years of religion classes and attend Mass. That "atheist" is choosing to receive a Catholic education. Our mission is to give our students a Catholic education and that's what we do. What they do with that is up to them. There are undoubtedly parents who want their child to receive a faith-based education and they might have no other option than a Catholic school. You would refuse them that opportunity?

But, I'll go along with a rule that you have to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school, BUT, in return, ALL Catholics must attend Catholic schools.

[Mr Bearcat]

Bobby, on 15 December 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

You don't have to be Catholic to take Catholic religion classes or to get a Catholic education. When this "atheist" enrolls at DSJ, they are required to take four years of religion classes and attend Mass. That "atheist" is choosing to receive a Catholic education. Our mission is to give our students a Catholic education and that's what we do. What they do with that is up to them. There are undoubtedly parents who want their child to receive a faith-based education and they might have no other option than a Catholic school. You would refuse them that opportunity?

But, I'll go along with a rule that you have to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school, BUT, in return, ALL Catholics must attend Catholic schools.

First Off I am a Catholic, and I have attended other Faiths on ocassion as well. The reason I feel you should be Catholic is because they Celebrate differently then othe Religions, thereore it would be best to be Catholic or converting to attend there. I understand All mainstream Religions are after the same main goal.There are other opportunities besides Catholic Schools, Lima Temple Christain(Baptist), Toledo Christain are two that come to mind.

You can Not make All Catholics attend Catholic schools, because that would be basically forcing Religion on them.

Edited by Mr Bearcat, 15 December 2012 - 01:36 PM.

[jeffcat-bucki]

Bobby, on 15 December 2012 - 01:06 PM, said:

You don't have to be Catholic to take Catholic religion classes or to get a Catholic education. When this "atheist" enrolls at DSJ, they are required to take four years of religion classes and attend Mass. That "atheist" is choosing to receive a Catholic education. Our mission is to give our students a Catholic education and that's what we do. What they do with that is up to them. There are undoubtedly parents who want their child to receive a faith-based education and they might have no other option than a Catholic school. You would refuse them that opportunity?

But, I'll go along with a rule that you have to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school, BUT, in return, ALL Catholics must attend Catholic schools.

You don't have to attend a catholic school if you are catholic...there is no reason to unless you choose that you want to. Just because you don't attend a catholic school, doesn't make you any less catholic.

That argument doesn't work both ways though. If you are running a catholic based school, why are people that are not catholic and have no plans to be catholic attending there(aside from the $$$)?