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[Mr Bearcat]

clutch, on 11 December 2012 - 12:37 PM, said:

They've already been invited to join a conference.

Can you say which league?

[clutch]

Mr Bearcat, on 11 December 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Can you say which league?

I could, but I'm going to wait. I will tell you that its not the nwcc.

[jeffcat-bucki]

clutch, on 11 December 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

I could, but I'm going to wait. I will tell you that its not the nwcc.

This should be hilarious to watch.

[von]

Badlands, on 09 December 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

Hound Dog, You seem to forget the NWC didnt kick out LCC, Columbus Grove did according to Johnstown Benny..

Why not the WBL? Why are good teams punished? Oh, it is a private, a Catholic school with values and respect for life. The kids are held responsible, and they have to do community service. This sounds like bias. Oh, I forgot, it is a private school who the parents have to pay to support the church and the school. Geez Louise, no hand outs & no tax credits? Go LCC and DSJ. God bless the private schools.....

[Hound Dog]

von, on 12 December 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

Why not the WBL? Why are good teams punished? Oh, it is a private, a Catholic school with values and respect for life. The kids are held responsible, and they have to do community service. This sounds like bias. Oh, I forgot, it is a private school who the parents have to pay to support the church and the school. Geez Louise, no hand outs & no tax credits? Go LCC and DSJ. God bless the private schools.....

Von

You might want to find out what is going on in Ohio with school vouchers. When you do you might rephrase you last statement.

They are taking public tax money and giving it to students to go to private schools. This has exploded in the past 3 years. It wasn't like that when LCC was invited into the NWC. Much different atmosphere now.

[Osu4me]

Hound Dog, on 12 December 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Von

You might want to find out what is going on in Ohio with school vouchers. When you do you might rephrase you last statement.

They are taking public tax money and giving it to students to go to private schools. This has exploded in the past 3 years. It wasn't like that when LCC was invited into the NWC. Much different atmosphere now.

Hound dog, why are you blaming the private schools for this? It's the public school's problem. It starts in the public school systems. How would you feel if CG slipped below the standard? Would you or would anyone refuse to take the voucher if your child was attending a below standard school and you were not able to afford 6-10 grand a year for a high school education or move out of yhe district? Would you honestly keep your child in a school that was performing below par if you hard a chance to get out? If LSH doesn't like the voucher program they can get out of it by raising the bar, start holding the students and the parents responsible..... Start failing the kids who refuse to do the work. This no child left behind mess is what started allot of this, it passes kids who should not be advancing to the next grade!

[Kennedy]

Dakota Green, on 09 December 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

prejudices against minorities especially in the Mercer county area.

blow it out your ass

[Mr Bearcat]

clutch, on 11 December 2012 - 12:53 PM, said:

I could, but I'm going to wait. I will tell you that its not the nwcc.

Ok! I was pretty sure it was Not the NWCC!lol

[Mr Bearcat]

Osu4me, on 12 December 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Hound dog, why are you blaming the private schools for this? It's the public school's problem. It starts in the public school systems. How would you feel if CG slipped below the standard? Would you or would anyone refuse to take the voucher if your child was attending a below standard school and you were not able to afford 6-10 grand a year for a high school education or move out of yhe district? Would you honestly keep your child in a school that was performing below par if you hard a chance to get out? If LSH doesn't like the voucher program they can get out of it by raising the bar, start holding the students and the parents responsible..... Start failing the kids who refuse to do the work. This no child left behind mess is what started allot of this, it passes kids who should not be advancing to the next grade!

I agree that it is The Public School's problem! However giving Vouchers(public money), is Not the the solution! All that does is reduce enrollment, Without fixing the problem. The State needs to fix the Schools, and cutback/eliminate the voucher system.

[schrades]

Hound Dog, on 12 December 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

Von

You might want to find out what is going on in Ohio with school vouchers. When you do you might rephrase you last statement.

They are taking public tax money and giving it to students to go to private schools. This has exploded in the past 3 years. It wasn't like that when LCC was invited into the NWC. Much different atmosphere now.

HD, that is the dumbest statement Ive read in a long time. Who are "they"? LCC? Are saying LCC takes public taxes and feeds themselves with it? Wow. Isnt it the parent's choice who's child attends a sub-par public school system as to where to send them?

Lemme clue you in: it's the State of Ohio that funds the vouchers because the PS's can't meet the state minimum educational standards.

And assuming those kids live within the city of Lima, where else are they going to go??? Choices and resources are limited. Question is; where would you send YOUR kids if they went to LPS system and lived in the city? Sounds like a no brainer to me, unless you just hate them enough to go way above and beyond the call of duty to send them somewhere else. I dont agree with LCC accepting vouchers at all, but they are within their rights to do it, and they have. But, if LCC would have turned them away it would have only given you something else to bitch about.

I see a trend with your past posts HD. Almost every one of them bashes LCC for one reason or another. We get it. You dont like them. You're entitled to your opinion but at least put half a thought behind a post before prooving you're an idiot instead of all of us only assuming you are one.

Edited by schrades, 13 December 2012 - 07:58 AM.

[effingA]

NWOAL is looking for a school for football or all sports.... They might take LCC....

[JohnMcClane]

schrades, on 12 December 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

HD, that is the dumbest statement Ive read in a long time. Who are "they"? LCC? Are saying LCC takes public taxes and feeds themselves with it? Wow. Isnt it the parent's choice who's child attends a sub-par public school system as to where to send them?

Lemme clue you in: it's the State of Ohio that funds the vouchers because the PS's can't meet the state minimum educational standards.

And assuming those kids live within the city of Lima, where else are they going to go??? Choices and resources are limited. Question is; where would you send YOUR kids if they went to LPS system and lived in the city? Sounds like a no brainer to me, unless you just hate them enough to go way above and beyond the call of duty to send them somewhere else. I dont agree with LCC accepting vouchers at all, but they are within their rights to do it, and they have. But, if LCC would have turned them away it would have only given you something else to bitch about.

I see a trend with your past posts HD. Almost everone you bashes LCC for one reason or another. We get it. You dont like them. You're entitled to your opinion but at least put half a thought behind a post before prooving you're an idiot instead of all of us only assuming you are one.

Take a deep breath and reread Hound Dogs last post. I don't think we was slamming LSCC with that post. He was pointing out that LSCC students have changed since the NWC allowed LCC in. Now LSCC is taking in more kids because of the situation with the Lima public schools. Right or wrong LSCC has changed in the last 8 years.

[Hound Dog]

JohnMcClane, on 12 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Take a deep breath and reread Hound Dogs last post. I don't think we was slamming LSCC with that post. He was pointing out that LSCC students have changed since the NWC allowed LCC in. Now LSCC is taking in more kids because of the situation with the Lima public schools. Right or wrong LSCC has changed in the last 8 years.

Thanks John.

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[Dman]

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[schrades]

JohnMcClane, on 12 December 2012 - 04:21 PM, said:

Take a deep breath and reread Hound Dogs last post. I don't think we was slamming LSCC with that post. He was pointing out that LSCC students have changed since the NWC allowed LCC in. Now LSCC is taking in more kids because of the situation with the Lima public schools. Right or wrong LSCC has changed in the last 8 years.

Really..... Read his past posts. I stand by what I said.

[JohnMcClane]

schrades, on 13 December 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Really..... Read his past posts. I stand by what I said.

Really....... You have but hurt over Hound Dogs post's? He and Badlands did get LSCC kicked out of the NWC but he is not usually over the top for his disdain for LSCC. You should read what some of the other guys have to say about LSCC.

[schrades]

JohnMcClane, on 13 December 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Really....... You have but hurt over Hound Dogs post's? He and Badlands did get LSCC kicked out of the NWC but he is not usually over the top for his disdain for LSCC. You should read what some of the other guys have to say about LSCC.

I calls it likes I sees it.....

[Dman]

The concept of “freedom of choice” is a worthy endeavor. I completely accept and endorse those who use this value as the basis for explaining kids/parents propensity to seek a school like LCC for the perceived advantages. What is interesting is that the concept of “freedom of choice” seems lost on those who belittle the NWC for making a decision they felt best for their majority membership.

I surmise that a parent choosing to send their child to LCC for perceived/real “better opportunities” is EXACTLY the concept majority NWC members used to “improve” their own opportunities.
That is what this debate boils down to on so many fronts. Self-interest and better opportunities…

Let’s face it… If “working harder” in the face of obstacles/disadvantages were indeed the ONLY means to success… LCC would have no reason to exist.

LCC exists to provide better opportunities (culture) to those unwilling/unable (to put the work in) to succeed in the “*******ty public school system.” In other words, at some level…the LCC parent has determined that it is in THEIR OWN INTEREST to seek alternative means to success for their kids. We can argue all day about whether a private school truly is the ticket to success, is socially fair, etc. But that is not the point. The point is that a decision (selfish?) was made based upon SELF-INTEREST. Nobody in the private school setting cares about the public school kids left behind to fend for themselves…at least not enough to sentence THEIR OWN kid to the same fate.

Paralleling that very line of reasoning… The majority NWC has determined it is in THEIR OWN INTEREST to move on without LCC. The opportunity provided to majority NWC athletes is simply BETTER (real or perceived) without LCC. Nobody left behind really cares about LCC’s scheduling difficulties/conference snubs, etc. We can again argue about whether such a decision is truly a ticket to success, fair, etc. But that is not the point. The point is that a decision (selfish?) was made based upon self-interest.

Both sides are full of selfish bastards who only truly care about their own opportunities. Fairness, etc takes a back seat to self-interest. That is the reason we get into this endless tit for tat. It is so easy to point out the selfishness and hypocrisy of both positions. The reality is that human beings will always act in their own self-interest. Those more tuned to this sociological reality were quick to point out that this marriage of different “self-interests” was doomed before it began.

[Rd2Glory]

JohnMcClane, on 13 December 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

Really....... You have but hurt over Hound Dogs post's? He and Badlands did get LSCC kicked out of the NWC but he is not usually over the top for his disdain for LSCC. You should read what some of the other guys have to say about LSCC.

Really trying to get this LSCC thing to catch on huh?

[schrades]

Dman, on 13 December 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

The concept of “freedom of choice” is a worthy endeavor. I completely accept and endorse those who use this value as the basis for explaining kids/parents propensity to seek a school like LCC for the perceived advantages. What is interesting is that the concept of “freedom of choice” seems lost on those who belittle the NWC for making a decision they felt best for their majority membership.

I surmise that a parent choosing to send their child to LCC for perceived/real “better opportunities” is EXACTLY the concept majority NWC members used to “improve” their own opportunities.
That is what this debate boils down to on so many fronts. Self-interest and better opportunities…

Let’s face it… If “working harder” in the face of obstacles/disadvantages were indeed the ONLY means to success… LCC would have no reason to exist.

LCC exists to provide better opportunities (culture) to those unwilling/unable (to put the work in) to succeed in the “*******ty public school system.” In other words, at some level…the LCC parent has determined that it is in THEIR OWN INTEREST to seek alternative means to success for their kids. We can argue all day about whether a private school truly is the ticket to success, is socially fair, etc. But that is not the point. The point is that a decision (selfish?) was made based upon SELF-INTEREST. Nobody in the private school setting cares about the public school kids left behind to fend for themselves…at least not enough to sentence THEIR OWN kid to the same fate.

Paralleling that very line of reasoning… The majority NWC has determined it is in THEIR OWN INTEREST to move on without LCC. The opportunity provided to majority NWC athletes is simply BETTER (real or perceived) without LCC. Nobody left behind really cares about LCC’s scheduling difficulties/conference snubs, etc. We can again argue about whether such a decision is truly a ticket to success, fair, etc. But that is not the point. The point is that a decision (selfish?) was made based upon self-interest.

Both sides are full of selfish bastards who only truly care about their own opportunities. Fairness, etc takes a back seat to self-interest. That is the reason we get into this endless tit for tat. It is so easy to point out the selfishness and hypocrisy of both positions. The reality is that human beings will always act in their own self-interest. Those more tuned to this sociological reality were quick to point out that this marriage of different “self-interests” was doomed before it began.

Excellent post and very true.