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[jeffcat-bucki]

I wish they would just pass it and get it over with.

I'm sick of hearing about it.

[Bluetiger76]

jeffcat-bucki, on 05 December 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

I wish they would just pass it and get it over with.

I'm sick of hearing about it.

Amen to that Jeff

[NW Ohio Football Fan]

jeffcat-bucki, on 05 December 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

I wish they would just pass it and get it over with.

I'm sick of hearing about it.

Do not worry about your team getting better or improving themselves. Just blame all your woes on the private schools and kick them out of the OHSAA. Be careful what you wish for jeffcat-bucki your team may not have any players left if those private school start openly recruiting if this passes.

[Whiterabbit]

NW Ohio Football Fan, on 06 December 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Do not worry about your team getting better or improving themselves. Just blame all your woes on the private schools and kick them out of the OHSAA. Be careful what you wish for jeffcat-bucki your team may not have any players left if those private school start openly recruiting if this passes.

So you are saying they have been 'privately' recruiting up to this point?

[flounder]

Separation of Public and Private schools in sports in Ohio will forever change and ruin sports in Ohio......leave everything as is and tell the publics to quit their crying....time to grow up.......accountability is really a huge problem in America...toughen up people!!!!!

[Hound Dog]

I hope it passes too.

What you have to remember is that if they stay members of OHSAA, assuming the resolution passes, they still have to abide by the rules that applies to them now even if they have seperate tourneys.

If they leave OHSAA they have to get their own tourneys, insurance, referees, etc. It would be a big undertaking for the private schools.

[jeffcat-bucki]

NW Ohio Football Fan, on 06 December 2012 - 08:33 AM, said:

Do not worry about your team getting better or improving themselves. Just blame all your woes on the private schools and kick them out of the OHSAA. Be careful what you wish for jeffcat-bucki your team may not have any players left if those private school start openly recruiting if this passes.

I don't really care either way, but I'm sick of hearing about it, and it is obvious as was noted that over 50% of the private schools are winning while they only make up 13% of the OHSAA. I could see due to demographics, socioeconomic deals, and whatnot that something along the lines of 25% would be understandable, but when the super schools and powerhouse teams are winning it all annually(in sports outside football mind you), it's pretty ridiculous. The all girls school sports are just as bad, if not way worse.

Sure, you have examples of bad public schools like Glenville and Whitmer these days going out and getting transfers from everywhere, but they are doing it because they are competing against the privates AKA Whitmer/Moeller this year. If you separate the public/private, it will alleviate some of this BS and everybody will be happy. I really don't see what the privates even have against it. What exactly are you losing by playing a separate tournament?

[jeffcat-bucki]

flounder, on 06 December 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Separation of Public and Private schools in sports in Ohio will forever change and ruin sports in Ohio......leave everything as is and tell the publics to quit their crying....time to grow up.......accountability is really a huge problem in America...toughen up people!!!!!

It's been done in numerous other states and they are doing just fine.

[flounder]

jeffcat-bucki, on 06 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

It's been done in numerous other states and they are doing just fine.

Name those numerous states......I'm curious!!!!!

[jeffcat-bucki]

flounder, on 06 December 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Name those numerous states......I'm curious!!!!!

New Jersey does it with some(maybe all) of their sports.

Florida is beginning to partition itself from the FHSAA and starting a new athletic assocation for privates. Those are two that I can think of right off the top of my head.

EDIT: Texas has their own too. I believe they have their own athletic association though and are separate from the Texas public school athletic system.

Edited by jeffcat-bucki, 06 December 2012 - 03:21 PM.

[paperboy]

jeffcat-bucki, on 06 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

If you separate the public/private, it will alleviate some of this BS and everybody will be happy.

Well, it sounds pretty simple then. However, there are plenty of schools that prefer to play the best competition, whether it be public or private. I can't imagine winning a title without having to get by a St. John's or a Newark Catholic if they are the best in their division.

[flounder]

paperboy, on 06 December 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Well, it sounds pretty simple then. However, there are plenty of schools that prefer to play the best competition, whether it be public or private. I can't imagine winning a title without having to get by a St. John's or a Newark Catholic if they are the best in their division.

Finally..........someone with some common sense and a attitude of a winner.......that would be you paperboy.....to be the best you have to beat the best......of course many wussies in our society today just cannot live with that!!!!!!

[Rd2Glory]

Hound Dog, on 06 December 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

I hope it passes too.

What you have to remember is that if they stay members of OHSAA, assuming the resolution passes, they still have to abide by the rules that applies to them now even if they have seperate tourneys.

If they leave OHSAA they have to get their own tourneys, insurance, referees, etc. It would be a big undertaking for the private schools.

That really doesn't seem like that big an undertaking to me. Setting up tourneys isn't incredibly difficult, I don't really see insurance as an issue, and there would be just as many referees after they split as before they split. You wouldn't have to train them or anything, just make your qualifications be that they if they're OHSAA certified then they are allowed to ref the private school games.

jeffcat-bucki, on 06 December 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

I don't really care either way, but I'm sick of hearing about it, and it is obvious as was noted that over 50% of the private schools are winning while they only make up 13% of the OHSAA. I could see due to demographics, socioeconomic deals, and whatnot that something along the lines of 25% would be understandable, but when the super schools and powerhouse teams are winning it all annually(in sports outside football mind you), it's pretty ridiculous. The all girls school sports are just as bad, if not way worse.

Sure, you have examples of bad public schools like Glenville and Whitmer these days going out and getting transfers from everywhere, but they are doing it because they are competing against the privates AKA Whitmer/Moeller this year. If you separate the public/private, it will alleviate some of this BS and everybody will be happy. I really don't see what the privates even have against it. What exactly are you losing by playing a separate tournament?

I don't really see everyone being happy in this case. The private school division would most likely make it legal to recruit/offer athletic scholarships/etc. Public school people might be happy at first, but when their teams get worse and they lose all of their athletes to recruiting private schools, I don't see the public school people being happy for long.

jeffcat-bucki, on 06 December 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

It's been done in numerous other states and they are doing just fine.

I went to school with a guy who was the captain of his state championship hockey team in a Northeastern state (not sure which one, didn't really know him that well). I asked how good the hockey was there compared to in Ohio. He responded that he didn't know how good the hockey was in Ohio, but that he was "just in the public school division, so it wasn't the really good Northeast hockey, but still legit."


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Someone mentioned on here once that they could split the schools into two divisions: One for all the private schools and any public school who wished to be a part of that division, and one for all other public schools. I think this would be the best option. You'd likely see all of the Coldwaters, Marion Locals, Glenvilles, (insert traditionally strong public school) join the private school division, and all of the schools crying for separation in the other division.

Edited by Rd2Glory, 06 December 2012 - 06:09 PM.

[diassingle]

So lets say it passes ? What's gonna stop the public schools who disagree with the split from joining the privates and playing in leagues and the new playoffs with them

[fiver]

So will private schools only play private schools? Love to see the Marion Catholic-LCC, or Fostoria St. Wendelin-DSJ matchup.

Edited by fiver, 06 December 2012 - 07:35 PM.

[longshot89]

I think they will just split the playoffs. Regardless, this is dumb.

Edited by longshot89, 06 December 2012 - 07:47 PM.

[diassingle]

longshot89, on 06 December 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

I think they will just split the playoffs. Regardless, this is dumb.

yes that's what the vote will be for. If the privates tell the ohsaa to take a hike. Which they talk about doing ? What's going to stop the serious public schools from leaving the ohsaa and playing in leagues and playoffs with the privates. The last 2 votes have been almost split. To me that's says its sure possible ? A lot of public schools voted no ? Just my opinion.

[Hound Dog]

Rd2Glory, on 06 December 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

That really doesn't seem like that big an undertaking to me. Setting up tourneys isn't incredibly difficult, I don't really see insurance as an issue, and there would be just as many referees after they split as before they split. You wouldn't have to train them or anything, just make your qualifications be that they if they're OHSAA certified then they are allowed to ref the private school games.

It would be if they were not a part of the OHSAA. Insurance is a big deal. The catastrophic insurance covers everything to do with a game. Officials, spectators if they get hurt at a game, players, etc.

[jeffcat-bucki]

paperboy, on 06 December 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Well, it sounds pretty simple then. However, there are plenty of schools that prefer to play the best competition, whether it be public or private. I can't imagine winning a title without having to get by a St. John's or a Newark Catholic if they are the best in their division.

A lot of these states still schedule some privates in regular season play. As far as the rest...I suppose that's one opinion, but somebody could always schedule the New England Patriots too if they want that notion. I'm not claiming anything against the said schools you named, but in general, it's just a matter of equality on the playing field. It's not sympathy for publics, more so than publics playing by public system rules and agendas and privates playing by private school rules and agendas.