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[Rd2Glory]

Hound Dog, on 01 November 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Like I have said before and will say again. The NWC has been here since the 40's. We survived 60 years without LCC...and the NWC will be fine without LCC. LCC is the one that is going to have a hard time getting schedules for football. Weeks 4-10 are an awful lot of games to be filled each year.

On another note....I think it was a good move to have Jim Raabe as League Commissioner. He will do what the league schools want him to do. Unlike Mike Mullen who was an LCC puppet.....

This is probably true. But doesn't it make you a little nervous that EVERYONE outside of NWC fans thinks it was a bad move for the NWC?

[TheFan]

Rd2Glory, on 01 November 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

This is probably true. But doesn't it make you a little nervous that EVERYONE outside of NWC fans thinks it was a bad move for the NWC?

EVERYONE?????? Really???? Let me guess..... your grade school kid logged in under your username and posted this????

[Hound Dog]

Rd2Glory, on 01 November 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

This is probably true. But doesn't it make you a little nervous that EVERYONE outside of NWC fans thinks it was a bad move for the NWC?

Sorry you're wrong. The only mistake that everyone outside the NWC said was wrong was actually letting LCC in the league in the first place.

[ADog]

flounder, on 14 October 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

I would also like to add, that LCC will probably never carry the votes to enter the MAC.....they just don't fit in!!!!!!!

flounder, on 01 November 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

JB.......

I totally agree with your take on the NWC booting the tbirds......and have stated it many times, only to be ridiculed by the NWC faithful.....losing LCC will do nothing but harm the NWC, but only time will tell......

Great post JB and always glad to hear what is happening in Newark....I have always had the utmost respect for Newark Catholic, and can vividly remember Newark when they had Mike Giomi and made the trip to 'The Vatican'.....what a game that was!!!!!

So Flounder, Explain something to me....you and others have ridiculed the NWC for awhile now saying the NWC is wrong with having LCC out of the conference and the conference will suffer but some NWC follwers have said LCC does not fit in the conference( for the record I have not said that, but that is besides the point) but when LCC being in the MAC was mentioned, you state that they do not fit? Care to elaborate why you feel that way? Would it be the same reasons that LCC does not "fit" into the NWC? Tell me why you do not think LCC is a good fit for the MAC. Personally I would have liked to see the Birds still in the NWC, but in all honesty, think they are a better fit for the MAC

[flounder]

ADog, on 01 November 2012 - 07:03 PM, said:

So Flounder, Explain something to me....you and others have ridiculed the NWC for awhile now saying the NWC is wrong with having LCC out of the conference and the conference will suffer but some NWC follwers have said LCC does not fit in the conference( for the record I have not said that, but that is besides the point) but when LCC being in the MAC was mentioned, you state that they do not fit? Care to elaborate why you feel that way? Would it be the same reasons that LCC does not "fit" into the NWC? Tell me why you do not think LCC is a good fit for the MAC. Personally I would have liked to see the Birds still in the NWC, but in all honesty, think they are a better fit for the MAC

ADog.......

The MAC would probably take LCC in if it were a good fit.....no MAC teams are afraid to tackle the Tbirds, and the Tbirds would be very hard pressed to dominate in the MAC......

My points as to not fitting in.....

1).....travel time....
2)....the MAC doesn't need another team...
3)....Anna, Fort Loramie, Sidney Lehman have all been waiting in the wings longer than LCC....
4)....we have no teams wanting to drop out

There you have it........notice that I did not mention that the MAC is afraid of what LCC brings!!!!!!

As I have mentioned many times before.....the NWC will be the loser when LCC leaves.....LCC would have made this league stronger..it may have taken awhile, but it would have happened!!!!!

[ADog]

Flounder, respect your answer but point for point
1) Travel time...LCC would actually be shorter travel ime for several MAC schools than Delphos
2) MAC not needing another school does not address not being a good fit
3) Anna is already in theMAC for football...Ft Loramie I agree with been waiting for awhile, Lehman,,heh....not sure if they really want in the MAC, but this still not address LCC not being a good fit
4) See # 2 & 3 above about not answering the "does not fit" comment

I never said anty MAC school was scared or afraid of the Birds but I assure you that there are schools in the MAC that have the same reservations about LCC being in the MAC as do some schools in the NWC. I even heard it here from a few other posters that LCC would not be welcome in the MAC..just curious as to why? Not meaning to post this towards you, but your post of not fitting in was the perfect opening....

[Kennedy]

Loramie has only had football 4-5 years. They haven't been waiting that long and they haven't dominated the SCL so why would they join the MAC?

Edited by Kennedy, 01 November 2012 - 07:39 PM.

[flounder]

ADog, on 01 November 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

Flounder, respect your answer but point for point
1) Travel time...LCC would actually be shorter travel ime for several MAC schools than Delphos
2) MAC not needing another school does not address not being a good fit
3) Anna is already in theMAC for football...Ft Loramie I agree with been waiting for awhile, Lehman,,heh....not sure if they really want in the MAC, but this still not address LCC not being a good fit
4) See # 2 & 3 above about not answering the "does not fit" comment

I never said anty MAC school was scared or afraid of the Birds but I assure you that there are schools in the MAC that have the same reservations about LCC being in the MAC as do some schools in the NWC. I even heard it here from a few other posters that LCC would not be welcome in the MAC..just curious as to why? Not meaning to post this towards you, but your post of not fitting in was the perfect opening....

ADog.....

No problem....LCC is 15 miles further east than DSJ....DSJ is on a pretty even plane with many MAC schools, although some MAC schools are even further west than that plane, so yes, LCC is further from the MAC schools than the one's I mentioned.....one thing that kept LCC out of the MAC a few years back was that they did not have their own gym or football facilities which would have hindered scheduling, so there is a legit reason. Another thing that I have noticed...even though LCC is winning is that they do not travel well in respect to other MAC schools......hell, they have trouble filling their own gym.....

Actually, this isn't about the MAC and LCC since the MAC has no openings.....we are set, as a conference....and it appears that the NWC is also....lol!!!!!!

[flounder]

Kennedy, on 01 November 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Loramie has only had football 4-5 years. They haven't been waiting that long.

Kennedy.......

Not exactly talking about football here......do you really think Loramie would rather be in their current league or the MAC!!!!!!!!

[Kennedy]

flounder, on 01 November 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

Kennedy.......

Not exactly talking about football here......do you really think Loramie would rather be in their current league or the MAC!!!!!!!!

Oh my bad, its the football forum. I digress....
I agree they would rather be in the MAC but so would everyone else. I was just pointing out that Loramie ( other than baseball) hasn't exactly had a death grip on the SCL, so what would they bring to an obviously stronger league in the MAC?

[flounder]

Kennedy, on 01 November 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Oh my bad, its the football forum. I digress....
I agree they would rather be in the MAC but so would everyone else. I was just pointing out that Loramie ( other than baseball) hasn't exactly had a death grip on the SCL, so what would they bring to an obviously stronger league in the MAC?

Kennedy......

You aren't bad....don't be so hard on yourself.......Loramie has wanted in the MAC for some time now....they have just started football a few years back, but the rest of their programs are top notch....they also have a great following and are just 3 miles from Minster.......also, just ask Coach Seggerson what they are like in basketball as they deprived him and the Birds of a state championship when LCC was making a great run in the mid 90's!!!!!

[flounder]

Kennedy......

Also, have you noticed how much stronger the MAC has gotten over the years by adding quality teams to go along with quality teams.....it is just my point because I think eventually the NWC could have been the same if they would have kept LCC.....just my thoughts....as a observer on the outside looking in, it really doesn't matter much to me!!!!!!!!!!

[effingA]

I find it interesting to hear from DSJ people about leagues and league association when they basically ran from the WBL.... Don't get me wrong, the school sizes now are quite evident but back then not so much. Elida was once a member of the NWC as late as the early 70's. I guess my point is all this doom and gloom for the NWC because LCC left is BS. Who knows what the future holds for any of our leagues. Times change as do communities.... we shall see, but in the short term the NWC will be fine.

[Osu4me]

Hound Dog, on 01 November 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

On another note....I think it was a good move to have Jim Raabe as League Commissioner. He will do what the league schools want him to do. Unlike Mike Mullen who was an LCC puppet.....

So your saying that Raabe will be a yes man instead of sticking up for what he believes is best for the NWC????

[Kennedy]

flounder, on 01 November 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

Kennedy......

You aren't bad....don't be so hard on yourself.......Loramie has wanted in the MAC for some time now....they have just started football a few years back, but the rest of their programs are top notch....they also have a great following and are just 3 miles from Minster.......also, just ask Coach Seggerson what they are like in basketball as they deprived him and the Birds of a state championship when LCC was making a great run in the mid 90's!!!!!

Im very familiar with Ft. Loramie. There girls basketball team is usually very competitive, as is there track, xc, and more recently volleyball. Boys basketball...ehhh... they've been ok, but nothing like that team from '93 you speak of. Boys xc and track ehhhh... Ok usually top 2 or 3 in the SCL but top notch? Probably not. Baseball has been kind to FL in recent memory, but even then didn't Russia win county last season?

I agree FL has quality athletics, no doubt. But top notch year in and year out? I have to disagree.

[Rd2Glory]

Hound Dog, on 01 November 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Sorry you're wrong. The only mistake that everyone outside the NWC said was wrong was actually letting LCC in the league in the first place.

Honestly, I have not seen or heard any non-NWC fans say that the NWC is better off without LCC, and you two (thefan and hound dog) NWC fans telling me I'm wrong doesn't do much to change that opinion. If there are any non-NWC fans reading this that think the NWC will be better off without LCC, please speak up and tell us why!

[Rd2Glory]

flounder, on 01 November 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

ADog.....

No problem....LCC is 15 miles further east than DSJ....DSJ is on a pretty even plane with many MAC schools, although some MAC schools are even further west than that plane, so yes, LCC is further from the MAC schools than the one's I mentioned.....one thing that kept LCC out of the MAC a few years back was that they did not have their own gym or football facilities which would have hindered scheduling, so there is a legit reason. Another thing that I have noticed...even though LCC is winning is that they do not travel well in respect to other MAC schools......hell, they have trouble filling their own gym.....

Actually, this isn't about the MAC and LCC since the MAC has no openings.....we are set, as a conference....and it appears that the NWC is also....lol!!!!!!

I think LCC would be a good fit in the MAC, there's just not any room for them in the conference at the moment.

Personally, I'd like to see both LCC and Lima Senior join the WBL, but as they're not looking to expand, it doesn't seem likely.

[Hound Dog]

Osu4me, on 01 November 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

So your saying that Raabe will be a yes man instead of sticking up for what he believes is best for the NWC????

Mullen was a yes man for LCC...I would rather have a yes men to 9 schools opposed to just 1.

[Osu4me]

Hound Dog, on 01 November 2012 - 09:06 PM, said:

Mullen was a yes man for LCC...I would rather have a yes men to 9 schools opposed to just 1.

as a business owner.....a 'yes" man like that is 50% of the recipe for making a disaster!! Reminds me of the old saying "be
careful of what you wish for".

[Hound Dog]

Osu4me, on 01 November 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

as a business owner.....a 'yes" man like that is 50% of the recipe for making a disaster!! Reminds me of the old saying "be
careful of what you wish for".

I really think that all the NWC Principals know what is best for each school individually and as a conference. I am not the bit concerned. Jim Raabe is a top notch guy who has been around for a long time.