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[Rd2Glory]

jeffcat-bucki, on 17 June 2012 - 11:33 PM, said:

How many would Grove have if LCC wouldn't have joined?

Well, LCC has been playing for the conference championship since 2006. How many times has Grove even came in 2nd in the conference since then?

[caldwell]

Rd2Glory, on 18 June 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

Well, LCC has been playing for the conference championship since 2006. How many times has Grove even came in 2nd in the conference since then?

How bad was LCC prior to 2006 is the real question?

[Rd2Glory]

caldwell, on 18 June 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

How bad was LCC prior to 2006 is the real question?

How is that the real question? It is in no way related to the theoretical question of how many NWC championships Grove would've had in the last 6 seasons had LCC never joined the conference.

However, to answer your question, prior to 2006, LCC had been pretty bad for about 12-13 years. Although, in 2005 they did beat NWC co champs Grove and Bluffton (and didn't play the third co-champ, Crestview)

[jeffcat-bucki]

Rd2Glory, on 18 June 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

Well, LCC has been playing for the conference championship since 2006. How many times has Grove even came in 2nd in the conference since then?

To my knowledge, they never have.

[caldwell]

Rd2Glory, on 18 June 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

How is that the real question? It is in no way related to the theoretical question of how many NWC championships Grove would've had in the last 6 seasons had LCC never joined the conference.

However, to answer your question, prior to 2006, LCC had been pretty bad for about 12-13 years. Although, in 2005 they did beat NWC co champs Grove and Bluffton (and didn't play the third co-champ, Crestview)

You have missed my point!! High school sports goes in streaks.
It wasn't so long ago that Delphos and Grove were the teams to beat each year.
Prior to that it was Allen East and Bluffton for the previous ten years
Same in Basketball.
Most teams in the NWC understand this.

LCC was bad bad when they joined the NWC.
They did whatever they had too, in order to win.

With the loss of the conference for LCC. The projection of lots of travel. No dedicated fan base to support the team. I expect they will return to their old ways. Bad Bad It will happen rather quickly I suspect???




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[Rd2Glory]

caldwell, on 19 June 2012 - 09:49 AM, said:

You have missed my point!! High school sports goes in streaks.
It wasn't so long ago that Delphos and Grove were the teams to beat each year.
Prior to that it was Allen East and Bluffton for the previous ten years
Same in Basketball.
Most teams in the NWC understand this.

LCC was bad bad when they joined the NWC.
They did whatever they had too, in order to win.

With the loss of the conference for LCC. The projection of lots of travel. No dedicated fan base to support the team. I expect they will return to their old ways. Bad Bad It will happen rather quickly I suspect???

So, in other words, your "the real question is" statement had nothing to do with what was being discussed, you were just looking to interject with an "I hate LCC" response. Got it.

Also, LCC's five most successful teams in the last five years (07 and 08 volleyball, '10 football, '10 basketball, and '12 baseball) had a total of ONE transfer kid playing on their teams. That transfer was Rufus Johnson, who transferred after his freshman year from Shawnee, sat out a full year of sports, and then played. So get out of here with this "did whatever they had to in order to win" BS.

You have such a hard on for LCC, Caldwell. How do you sleep at night?

Edited by Rd2Glory, 19 June 2012 - 10:37 AM.

[caldwell]

Rd2Glory, on 19 June 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

So, in other words, your "the real question is" statement had nothing to do with what was being discussed, you were just looking to interject with an "I hate LCC" response. Got it. Also, LCC's five most successful teams in the last five years (07 and 08 volleyball, '10 football, '10 basketball, and '12 baseball) had a total of ONE transfer kid playing on their teams. That transfer was Rufus Johnson, who transferred after his freshman year from Shawnee, sat out a full year of sports, and then played. So get out of here with this "did whatever they had to in order to win" BS. You have such a hard on for LCC, Caldwell. How do you sleep at night?

No Hard on!! Couldn't care less about LCC nor DSJ.

Just feel LCC leaving the conference is a good thing. I'm glad they got kicked out!!!
Now add a "private division" and all would be good.

Winning is a lot more fun when you do it on an even playing field.

[Itstoohot]

caldwell, on 19 June 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

Winning is a lot more fun when you kick out all the tough competition

FTFY

[mccormaj10]

caldwell, on 19 June 2012 - 11:30 AM, said:

No Hard on!! Couldn't care less about LCC nor DSJ.

Just feel LCC leaving the conference is a good thing. I'm glad they got kicked out!!!
Now add a "private division" and all would be good.

Winning is a lot more fun when you do it on an even playing field.

No winning is a lot more fun when you beat the best and when you beat teams that no one thinks you can beat.. THAT is fun and apparently your favorite team cant do that so you will settle with mediocrity.. LCC will continue to succeed far past the NWC and I am happy they are out of that conference after next year

[bubbatime]

Rd2Glory, on 19 June 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

You have such a hard on for LCC, Caldwell. How do you sleep at night?

On his back?

[jeffcat-bucki]

mccormaj10, on 19 June 2012 - 01:01 PM, said:

No winning is a lot more fun when you beat the best and when you beat teams that no one thinks you can beat.. THAT is fun and apparently your favorite team cant do that so you will settle with mediocrity.. LCC will continue to succeed far past the NWC and I am happy they are out of that conference after next year

Somehow, I'm doubting the AD will feel the same way when he has to fill a schedule in all sports annually again without a conference affiliation, LCC's current reputation(true or not), and the various changes in OOC play in other conferences.

[Rd2Glory]

bubbatime, on 19 June 2012 - 02:13 PM, said:

On his back?

I'm guessing on his side, with a pillow tucked between his legs, counting Crestview football players as they jump over LCC defenders.

[osufan512]

LCC will be fine once theyre out of the league. Their 5 away games may be a decent distance away from Lima but I can promise it will be much better competition. Not to mention, they already have the Elida/Bath series worked out, the DSJ rivalry is going no where and I don't think the Marion Pleasant game will be disappearing either. I know Bishop Ready will be on the schedule too because they are in a similar situation as LCC in terms of scheduling, though they will be off the schedule for a year or two coming up. I also know they have games scheduled against London for a year and a series with Bryan coming up as well. I really think when it comes down to it, they wont be hard pressed to find a schedule, it just may be against random opponents (like London & Bryan).

Also, in terms of LCC having no following, get real. There is no way they will have no following ever, especially if they continue winning at the pace in which they have been. LCC has a dedicated school community (obviously, or the school wouldn't have been around for this many years). Ursuline had a great following at the State Semi game against LCC and they play a schedule similar to what you're thinking LCC will play, doesn't seem to be effecting them.

Also, I know a lot of you NWC posters only remember life BLCC (before LCC) and ALCC (after LCC) but 2006 isn't the year the Birds started being good. It was actually 2005, they went 11-2 and lost to CHCA in a classic Regional Final game. They beat Ada, AE, Bluffton, Grove, and Spencerville that year and didn't play DJ, Crestview or Paulding. They also had good wins against St. Henry, a 9-1 Waynesfield team and a Hicksville team fresh off a state semis appearance.

Bottom line is, LCC will be ok after the NWC and the league will survive without them (until Ada jumps ship at least). I don't know if this is the year you'll see "running up the score" or not, remember they still play them 3 more years. Only Crestview and Paulding may have something to worry about this year from that perspective.

Lastly, 9-1s comment about loving to go into those NWC communities knowing everyone hated them is a common feeling amongst the football program and I think it's almost embraced by the players and coaches alike. I remember talking to coaches and players after a scrimmage last season and the topic was brought up and it seemed like they loved that no one liked them.

[jeffcat-bucki]

osufan512, on 19 June 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

LCC will be fine once theyre out of the league. Their 5 away games may be a decent distance away from Lima but I can promise it will be much better competition. Not to mention, they already have the Elida/Bath series worked out, the DSJ rivalry is going no where and I don't think the Marion Pleasant game will be disappearing either. I know Bishop Ready will be on the schedule too because they are in a similar situation as LCC in terms of scheduling, though they will be off the schedule for a year or two coming up. I also know they have games scheduled against London for a year and a series with Bryan coming up as well. I really think when it comes down to it, they wont be hard pressed to find a schedule, it just may be against random opponents (like London & Bryan).

Also, in terms of LCC having no following, get real. There is no way they will have no following ever, especially if they continue winning at the pace in which they have been. LCC has a dedicated school community (obviously, or the school wouldn't have been around for this many years). Ursuline had a great following at the State Semi game against LCC and they play a schedule similar to what you're thinking LCC will play, doesn't seem to be effecting them.

Also, I know a lot of you NWC posters only remember life BLCC (before LCC) and ALCC (after LCC) but 2006 isn't the year the Birds started being good. It was actually 2005, they went 11-2 and lost to CHCA in a classic Regional Final game. They beat Ada, AE, Bluffton, Grove, and Spencerville that year and didn't play DJ, Crestview or Paulding. They also had good wins against St. Henry, a 9-1 Waynesfield team and a Hicksville team fresh off a state semis appearance.

Bottom line is, LCC will be ok after the NWC and the league will survive without them (until Ada jumps ship at least). I don't know if this is the year you'll see "running up the score" or not, remember they still play them 3 more years. Only Crestview and Paulding may have something to worry about this year from that perspective.

Lastly, 9-1s comment about loving to go into those NWC communities knowing everyone hated them is a common feeling amongst the football program and I think it's almost embraced by the players and coaches alike. I remember talking to coaches and players after a scrimmage last season and the topic was brought up and it seemed like they loved that no one liked them.

While I have my share of friends from LCC, them not being liked has been a common sentiment even before they were good in football. Be it a Lima thing, catholic thing, private school thing....whatever, LCC has always been routinely rather cocky and arrogant even when they fielded bad teams and I'm sure many of the players that played against them before they were good can attest to that as well.

Also, while true that LCC does have a lot of support, don't forget those daunting matchups against Ft. Recovery a decade ago when there were MAYBE 2 dozen people in Lima Stadium on the LCC side, the student body was playing poker on the bleacher seats, and debating whether they wanted to get a Spicy Chicken at Wendy's or go to Arby's at halftime. It is true anywhere, that winning will always be attractive and draw fans in, but when LCC was struggling a decade ago, you would only find SOME parents in the stands and that's about it...the rest of the school wanted nothing to do with them and was just begging for basketball season to roll around.

Scheduling for the AD won't be easy for football year in, year out. They made a big step in the 3 team rotation with Bath, Elida, DSJ I believe, but there will still be open games and that's where the trouble lies for LCC and all private/non conference affiliated teams is when they have 2-3 openings each year that can't be filled. On top of that, football wasn't the only sport I was referring to. The AD has to now fill the voids for golf, women's soccer, baseball, softball, boys/girls basketball, etc, and JV and freshman games because I somehow doubt if they have to schedule matchups that are far away, they will be shipping a JV or freshman bus across the state for a game for football or any of the other sports.

[caldwell]

osufan512, on 19 June 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

LCC will be fine once theyre out of the league. Their 5 away games may be a decent distance away from Lima but I can promise it will be much better competition. Not to mention, they already have the Elida/Bath series worked out, the DSJ rivalry is going no where and I don't think the Marion Pleasant game will be disappearing either. I know Bishop Ready will be on the schedule too because they are in a similar situation as LCC in terms of scheduling, though they will be off the schedule for a year or two coming up. I also know they have games scheduled against London for a year and a series with Bryan coming up as well. I really think when it comes down to it, they wont be hard pressed to find a schedule, it just may be against random opponents (like London & Bryan).

Also, in terms of LCC having no following, get real. There is no way they will have no following ever, especially if they continue winning at the pace in which they have been. LCC has a dedicated school community (obviously, or the school wouldn't have been around for this many years). Ursuline had a great following at the State Semi game against LCC and they play a schedule similar to what you're thinking LCC will play, doesn't seem to be effecting them.

Also, I know a lot of you NWC posters only remember life BLCC (before LCC) and ALCC (after LCC) but 2006 isn't the year the Birds started being good. It was actually 2005, they went 11-2 and lost to CHCA in a classic Regional Final game. They beat Ada, AE, Bluffton, Grove, and Spencerville that year and didn't play DJ, Crestview or Paulding. They also had good wins against St. Henry, a 9-1 Waynesfield team and a Hicksville team fresh off a state semis appearance.

Bottom line is, LCC will be ok after the NWC and the league will survive without them (until Ada jumps ship at least). I don't know if this is the year you'll see "running up the score" or not, remember they still play them 3 more years. Only Crestview and Paulding may have something to worry about this year from that perspective.

Lastly, 9-1s comment about loving to go into those NWC communities knowing everyone hated them is a common feeling amongst the football program and I think it's almost embraced by the players and coaches alike. I remember talking to coaches and players after a scrimmage last season and the topic was brought up and it seemed like they loved that no one liked them.

London 81 miles
Byron 86 Miles
Reading 96 Miles

Seems like a long drive for much better competiotion?

Keep in mind it only takes one hole in your schedule to ruin a season.
Nine game seasons will make it hard to recruit.
Michigan and Indiana teams on the schedule will make it hard to recruit.
Changing coaches will make it hard to recruit.


Thus back to where you were prior to 2005??

[Rd2Glory]

caldwell, on 20 June 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

London 81 miles
Byron 86 Miles
Reading 96 Miles

Seems like a long drive for much better competiotion?

Keep in mind it only takes one hole in your schedule to ruin a season.
Nine game seasons will make it hard to recruit.
Michigan and Indiana teams on the schedule will make it hard to recruit.
Changing coaches will make it hard to recruit.


Thus back to where you were prior to 2005??

Just give it a rest, dude.

[clutch]

caldwell, on 20 June 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

London 81 miles
Byron 86 Miles
Reading 96 Miles

Seems like a long drive for much better competiotion?

Keep in mind it only takes one hole in your schedule to ruin a season.
Nine game seasons will make it hard to recruit.
Michigan and Indiana teams on the schedule will make it hard to recruit.
Changing coaches will make it hard to recruit.


Thus back to where you were prior to 2005??

Byron? Reading? Competiotion?

This basically sums up all of your posts.

[clutch]

jeffcat-bucki, on 20 June 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

While I have my share of friends from LCC, them not being liked has been a common sentiment even before they were good in football. Be it a Lima thing, catholic thing, private school thing....whatever, LCC has always been routinely rather cocky and arrogant even when they fielded bad teams and I'm sure many of the players that played against them before they were good can attest to that as well.

Also, while true that LCC does have a lot of support, don't forget those daunting matchups against Ft. Recovery a decade ago when there were MAYBE 2 dozen people in Lima Stadium on the LCC side, the student body was playing poker on the bleacher seats, and debating whether they wanted to get a Spicy Chicken at Wendy's or go to Arby's at halftime. It is true anywhere, that winning will always be attractive and draw fans in, but when LCC was struggling a decade ago, you would only find SOME parents in the stands and that's about it...the rest of the school wanted nothing to do with them and was just begging for basketball season to roll around.

Scheduling for the AD won't be easy for football year in, year out. They made a big step in the 3 team rotation with Bath, Elida, DSJ I believe, but there will still be open games and that's where the trouble lies for LCC and all private/non conference affiliated teams is when they have 2-3 openings each year that can't be filled. On top of that, football wasn't the only sport I was referring to. The AD has to now fill the voids for golf, women's soccer, baseball, softball, boys/girls basketball, etc, and JV and freshman games because I somehow doubt if they have to schedule matchups that are far away, they will be shipping a JV or freshman bus across the state for a game for football or any of the other sports.

Don't lie, you don't have friends from LCC. And your description of the LCC bleachers a decade ago sounds very similar to the current situation at Jefferson.

[whatdoiknow]

When did delphos get a wendy's? You would also have to bring your own playing cards. No way that school system can afford a deck of cards.

[BlueJay]

Edited by BlueJay, 20 June 2012 - 06:26 PM.