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[Whiterabbit]

falconfan84, on 21 May 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

I'm extremely disappointed that the BVC didn't go after Riverdale more than they did.

falconfan84, on 21 May 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

BTW, even without adding "bigger" schools this helps L-B tremendously. I have to agree with HH75's post about scheduling and extra non-conference football opponents. That alone can help L-B more than just having a 10 team league of D5 schools.

The BVC did approach Riverdale about joining the league, but when given the cold shoulder who is to blame them not to beg/pursue them to please come to our league. If you ask a girl to prom and she blows you off, and you still pursue that is stalking.

Looking at the bigger picture, this helps ALL schools tremendously. Each school can now go schedule and go after what they want, points, rivalry game, easy W, etc. etc.

[Casual_fan]

Whiterabbit, on 22 May 2012 - 12:48 PM, said:

Calling all insiders....I have heard from many people Arlington voted NO last night; but you are saying they were YES?? Anyone have inside scoop?

Two different votes. There was a vote on expansion, Arlington and Vanlue abstained. There was a followup vote on the schools. Not sure on those details, but I know that Arlington voted in favor of the two teams that were invited. It was my understanding that the only two to vote against these two schools was CR and PG. I don't know why, but if I had a guess, I would think they were voting against HL, simply due to travel costs.

[Whiterabbit]

Okay, makes sense.

[Muahahaha]

What does Riverdale add to the conference? Not a great selection IMO. I believe if they are going to add 2 teams, they need to be Ada and Bluffton (if they would go without Grove) or Hopewell-Louden. I would think they should break off and form a new 10 team league with the teams I mentioned earlier.

Edited by Muahahaha, 22 May 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[oberhaus]

I would think if they abstained from voting on expansion then they shouldn't have been able to vote on what teams were added. Just my opinion.

[Common Sense]

Good move by the BVC. Still curious about the future of Vanlue/ Hardin Northern from a football standpoint. What happens if both programs fold in a year or two and you're back to 10 football schools again? Back to the old BVC 9 game schedule?
Don't know why Riverdale would be such a great fit? As stated earlier, you need to show some interest, the league isn't going to fall all over itself inviting everyone around. The NWC is a pretty solid league, not sure why Ada andBluffton would want to move.

[WebFire]

I think the timing with the N10 put Riverdale in a bad spot. If they was 2 or 3 years ago, I think Riverdale would be in.

[Pantherbuff]

As a former player and long time fan , I am glad for the expaning the leage in order to strengthening it, so that we may compete better, more often then we do!!!!! Congrates to all who have and I hope we can more often!!!!! { By the way, I do hope that LB stays put in the BVC!!!!!}

[falconfan84]

Muahahaha, on 22 May 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

What does Riverdale add to the conference?

Well...of the top of my head...soccer, cross country, and wrestling. Better gates than you'd get from NB (and probably H-L). Also, judging by the map in The Courier, the missing part of Hancock County that isn't part of the BVC.

[Pantherbuff]

WebFire, on 22 May 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I think the timing with the N10 put Riverdale in a bad spot. If they was 2 or 3 years ago, I think Riverdale would be in.

I don't know if Riverdale has committed to the N10 or not, but my understanding, to those who commit to the conference, its for 10 years, and if they back out, they oue the conference a large fee!!!

[falconfan84]

I believe the initial commitment is 5 years. After the first five year period, I believe there is the customary 2 year notice to leave. There was info in one of the school's newsletters concerning the N10. I don't know if there is a fee, or what it would amount to. I also don't know if we have to meet that commitment if we left (to join the BVC) before the N10 starts (which is still a couple years away, I believe).

I have to wonder if Riverdale is really "bound" to joining the N10, and staying there for the first 5 years at this point. In all reality, a school can do whatever they want...they may just have to face consequences, if there are any. Regardless...even with a large fee, would the decreased mileage and larger gates make up for that in a few years???....I donno...

Things to consider even IF there has been a commitment.

Whiterabbit, on 22 May 2012 - 12:52 PM, said:

The BVC did approach Riverdale about joining the league, but when given the cold shoulder who is to blame them not to beg/pursue them to please come to our league. If you ask a girl to prom and she blows you off, and you still pursue that is stalking.

Common Sense, on 22 May 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Don't know why Riverdale would be such a great fit? As stated earlier, you need to show some interest, the league isn't going to fall all over itself inviting everyone around. The NWC is a pretty solid league, not sure why Ada andBluffton would want to move.

I don't get how people cannot understand the predicament that Riverdale was in. Had we given the N10 the "cold shoulder", just so we could send in a letter of interest, we could have very well been an independent in a couple of years. If the NCC was not disolving, I bet we would have sent a letter in. There would have been nothing to lose. The NCC is not going to exist in a couple years, and Riverdale needed something definite. The N10 was a definite, the BVC was just a gamble....AND...given the history of voting of BVC schools(the whole PCL/BVC thing, the "I'm afraid of change" thing, etc.), it seemed like a safe bet to follow the N10.

I still don't know the whole situation regarding Riverdale's official stance on joining the BVC. Maybe they wished they had sent the letter back...maybe not. I'd like for Riverdale to offer that stance to the district residents, and also to gather input from the residents on which conference would be in the best interest of our school (the N10 or the BVC). I would think that since the start of the N10 and the expansion of the BVC are both a couple years away, we'd have the ability to choose without any penalties. Maybe we could give our spot in the N10 to Calvert or Elgin...they'd both be nice fits.

Edited by falconfan84, 22 May 2012 - 09:56 PM.

[Pulitzer]

_{5-year commitment is correct}

Edited by Pulitzer, 22 May 2012 - 10:54 PM.

[WebFire]

However, I did not see mention of any fees in the contract I saw. I don't know if I still have it or not. Regardless, the Riverdale BOE did vote to join the N10.

[Whiterabbit]

oberhaus, on 22 May 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

I would think if they abstained from voting on expansion then they shouldn't have been able to vote on what teams were added. Just my opinion.

Very good point! Very good point....

[PostPlayer]

Rdale's contract is only for 2 yrs from contract signing. Having said that, they could commit to the BVC and be ready to join the BVC in 2014 with no penalty. Of course, they would need to do this before August this year according to the by laws. Riverdale would effectively not play a single game in the new Northern 10 and still fulfill their contract signed recently....that is weird but true.

I think it could happen personally.

[WebFire]

PostPlayer, on 23 May 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Rdale's contract is only for 2 yrs from contract signing. Having said that, they could commit to the BVC and be ready to join the BVC in 2014 with no penalty. Of course, they would need to do this before August this year according to the by laws. Riverdale would effectively not play a single game in the new Northern 10 and still fulfill their contract signed recently....that is weird but true.

I think it could happen personally.

Is Riverdale's 2 year contract different from that of other schools? Others here have mentioned 5 year commitments.

[Common Sense]

While I can see a 5 year commitment for to keep schools from jumping year to year, is there a clause for teams who disban programs? Sometimes you are lucky to get a 3-4 month notice that a school can't field a football team. Or even week- to-week with N. Baltimore and St. Wendelin just a few years back.

[veteranlefty]

Nothing lately on this thread...my guess is we will see both HL and NB approve joining BVC at their next school board meetings as the next step to begin play in 2014-15 school year. I wonder if BVC will approach 2 other schools this summer as the commish mentioned in the article....he would like to get two more teams locked up sometime this summer so they can give notice and join in 2014-15 year as well.

[Muahahaha]

Hopefully, it will Ada and Bluffton to round out the 14 Teams.

[veteranlefty]

Saw in Tiffin paper today that MAL has approached HL and NB about keeping MAL together as a non-football league so HL and NB could play football in BVC but all other sports in MAL.....I would think BVC would not want that as they would want all sports to compete in BVC as they need a couple more wrestling teams as well. BVC will probably tell them either you are in all the way or not at all. I doubt HL and NB even would consider that as MAL seems to be grasping at straws at this point.