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[Hillstone]

Casual_fan: "Just because a dumb arse like Joe Metzger states it in the opinions section of the Courier, doesnt' mean that even half the people agree with him."

What difference does it make what he says about the issue?

[Corleone]

Casual_fan, on 15 May 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

I suspect in the back of my mind that LB looked at moving to a differenct conference and didn't get any warm welcomes from anyone, so now they have to push for expansion. This is simply becuase I cannot figure out why they would want to continue in a conference in which less than half the teams offer them little or no competition. But this seems too simple of a reason.

I think adding a couple of teams to the BVC will do no harm. But I'm not sure that LB will get what it wants with the two additional teams. I think they may have better results by moving to a conference with schools in it's own division, not a conference with 11 schools one or two divisions smaller. At the same time, the BVC will be a worse off with out LB, as they represent the conference well.

Just a couple of thoughts on your comments in this section. As long as Recker and Butler were the key decision makers for moving to a new conference it was never going to happen. Now they are gone, you are seeing things shaken up a little. I don't think LB ever looked at joining other conferences, unless you know something different. There are many constituencies in this district, and not all of them look at everything through the prism of athletics. Staying in the BVC meant less travel and therefore less $$$, getting kids home at a decent hour, etc. Also, there is a lot of rivalry and tradition amongst all these schools and that has to be taken into consideration as well. There are good reasons for leaving, but also many good reasons for staying and trying to keep the BVC largely intact.

Even if lets say a couple of smaller schools like Ada and NB are the only ones added, the thinking among the LB staff is likely the opportunity to schedule 2 or 3 non-conference schools instead of one. That is a game changer for LB because the opportunity opens up to keep a larger school like Elida on the schedule for at least one of these non-conference games. Who knows, maybe even a MAC school or a Patrick Henry or LCC would be considered as well. That would make up for playing mostly D7 and D6 schools.

[falconfan84]

Corleone, on 16 May 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

Even if lets say a couple of smaller schools like Ada and NB are the only ones added, the thinking among the LB staff is likely the opportunity to schedule 2 or 3 non-conference schools instead of one. That is a game changer for LB because the opportunity opens up to keep a larger school like Elida on the schedule for at least one of these non-conference games. Who knows, maybe even a MAC school or a Patrick Henry or LCC would be considered as well. That would make up for playing mostly D7 and D6 schools.

This is the one MAJOR reason I believe L-B would not have their playoff chances hurt in a conference with so many D7 schools. Adding non-conference games gives the entire BVC better chances at additional playoff points. Every school would have the ability to pick up competition that best fits their needs. Struggling teams could look to the TAAC, NWCC, or a school like Marion Catholic for possible victories. Stronger teams like L-B, McComb, and Leipsic could look for bigger schools or maybe the MAC for their computer point jackpot. If the lower-teir teams can pick up non-conference wins (even against very weak teams), this helps the entire conference's ability to place teams in the playoffs. This is the exact reason the MAC does this.

Just wondering...since I haven't checked yet...how firmly entrenched in D5 will Liberty-Benton be? I have read at least one post that states where they may be getting smaller class sizes coming up. Might they be a team that bounces back-and-forth between D5 and D6? If so, then it may not be such a big issue concerning playoffs as some might think. Besides, with an extra division, there will be more overall teams making playoffs in Ohio, so really, each division will offer slightly better chances for all teams to make the playoffs.

Edited by falconfan84, 16 May 2012 - 06:18 AM.

[Northwestsports]

What I am told if everything was in effect today L-B would be 2 boys over D-6 so they could bounce back and forth.

[Muahahaha]

I truly believe if there is a new conference formed, the teams should be: Liberty-Benton, Van Buren, Bluffton, McComb, Hopewell Louden, Columbus Grove, Ada, Leipsic, Pandora Gilboa, and Kenton (yes Kenton). This would be a great 10 team league and it would offer a nice balance of size of schools.

[ScoonieMac]

I luv it muuhahahaha . Kenton makes me go muuhahahaha!

[PostPlayer]

Muahahaha, on 16 May 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

I truly believe if there is a new conference formed, the teams should be: Liberty-Benton, Van Buren, Bluffton, McComb, Hopewell Louden, Columbus Grove, Ada, Leipsic, Pandora Gilboa, and Kenton (yes Kenton). This would be a great 10 team league and it would offer a nice balance of size of schools.

All the talk about Van Buren moving is funny. They rarely are competitive in any high school sport (football, basketball and baseball). I guess size matters...but if they were thrown into this group (along with PG), they may never win a game.

PG's numbers are declining as rapidly as anyone's in the league. I doubt they are looking at "moving up" in competition.

I do like your suggestion - that would be a very good league. No way Kenton moves from WBL though.

[WebFire]

Muahahaha, on 16 May 2012 - 10:33 PM, said:

I truly believe if there is a new conference formed, the teams should be: Liberty-Benton, Van Buren, Bluffton, McComb, Hopewell Louden, Columbus Grove, Ada, Leipsic, Pandora Gilboa, and Kenton (yes Kenton). This would be a great 10 team league and it would offer a nice balance of size of schools.

♫ One of these things is not like the others. ♫

[Rocketman]

PG is very happy where we are it.......

like in the movie

[falconfan84]

95 Z Out, on 18 May 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Still hearing there are three negative votes on expansion. Maybe Arcadia, Arlington and Vanlue can consolidate and build a new school somewhere along route 15.

Maybe you'd want to include Riverdale into that consolidation, since Arlington and Vanlue don't border each other...Riverdale's district sits between them.

Edited by falconfan84, 18 May 2012 - 12:19 PM.

[HH75]

Only the hancock county kids... the others can go to their respective county school!

[effingA]

What if the vote does not go they way "the leaders " of the BVC want?
Here's another scenario: the 4 eastern NWC schools - Ada, Bluffton, Grove, AE, with PH, and the LB led BVC group form a new league.
Or the BVC expands by adding HL and NB and then try to get Riverdale and Ada for the 2 division league of 14.

[Whiterabbit]

What will be interesting, my understanding vote is Monday. AFTER it gets voted down (my guess is 3 against) how things will be thrown in a different direction, this post will end and a new one will start; What BVC schools are leaving.

[oberhaus]

effingA, on 19 May 2012 - 04:16 PM, said:

What if the vote does not go they way "the leaders " of the BVC want?
Here's another scenario: the 4 eastern NWC schools - Ada, Bluffton, Grove, AE, with PH, and the LB led BVC group form a new league.
Or the BVC expands by adding HL and NB and then try to get Riverdale and Ada for the 2 division league of 14.

Sounds fun BUT PH aint going anywhere.

[effingA]

They'll listen if it's the right schools. We'll see if that conversation gets started.

[Corleone]

Doubt it...PH has a lot of history in the NWOAL, and the NBL before that with many of the same schools currently in the NWOAL. They won't throw that overboard lightly.

[oberhaus]

effingA, on 19 May 2012 - 05:52 PM, said:

They'll listen if it's the right schools. We'll see if that conversation gets started.

There are no "right" schools. They will listen to them like they did LCC asking to join the league....look at the application then throw it in the trash after you walk out without discussion.

[PHDigger]

Why on earth would PH leave a league of divisions 3, 4, 5's and a 6, to join a league of all 5's and 6's (and more then likely 7's)?? Like I've said many many times before, league shifting and expanding is about football and football only. Nobody is going to make a league adjustment or expansion without adding point value. Now I'm not saying nobody from the NWOAL will never leave or have not even thought about it, but let's be serious. There has to be a point advantage to changing things up. If not, then its a waste of time. This is why I feel that when all this dust settles, LB will leave and either jump into another league as football only, or go independent.

[polkhigh33]

The letters BVC and SLL might have alot in common soon.