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[cubbies4life]

HH75, on 23 April 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

And how much did all those schools gain in gate when HN owned the league from 1994 til about 2006?

They brought big crowds in those days. Nobody complained about how HN dominated the BVC. Sat through many beatdowns when they played LB.

[cubbies4life]

Buckshot, on 23 April 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

I love people who just make up their own numbers and throw them into the wind. Just once I'd like to see these statements supported by facts.

Facts? I am amazed how many people dislike LB(not really) and seem to know everything about LB. Hilarious.

[Corleone]

PostPlayer, on 23 April 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:

OMG...the LB track comment almost made me cough up my lunch...

Why is that?

[slingblade]

LB has always had good track teams. Well at least 25-30 years. The LB track program has been top notch alot longer than the basketball program. Yes, a day long ago the LB basketball program was not good at all.

[cubbies4life]

slingblade, on 23 April 2012 - 06:30 PM, said:

LB has always had good track teams. Well at least 25-30 years. The LB track program has been top notch alot longer than the basketball program. Yes, a day long ago the LB basketball program was not good at all.

Football poor for a looooong time as well.

[bob22]

High school sports are a funny thing. Who knows....maybe in ten years we'll be refering to L-B as "Paulding East"

[Corleone]

You never know, it could very well end up that way. I remember the football beatdowns like they were yesterday. No guarantees in HS sports.

[Northwestsports]

Ok here is the word I'm getting IF L-B does anything it will be a football only move. There NW Ohio guy something else for you to cry about, I mean think about.

[NW Ohio Guy]

slingblade, on 23 April 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

I think 80%-90% of BVC people wanting LB out is a bit high. It's probably more like 60%-70% want them out. But like I mentioned before, I think 100% of ther ADs want them to stay. LB is not a bad fit for the BVC if you take out the 2-3 small schools in the league. But in the long run it may be best for LB to leave and find a more balanced and competitive conference for them.

[NW Ohio Guy]

Northwestsports, on 23 April 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

Ok here is the word I'm getting IF L-B does anything it will be a football only move. There NW Ohio guy something else for you to cry about, I mean think about.

I wouldn't want them to leave just for football, either leave the conference for everything or not at all.

[floyd90]

I am not from a BVC school, but i believe they should atleast look at expanding, the truth is who knows what the football situation at Vanlue, Arcadia or HN will be in the years to come.

[bob22]

floyd90, on 24 April 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

I am not from a BVC school, but i believe they should atleast look at expanding, the truth is who knows what the football situation at Vanlue, Arcadia or HN will be in the years to come.

And throw Cory-Rawson into that mix as well. 30 kids out this coming fall is being wildly optimistic.

[falconfan84]

We read a lot of posts about L-B being too big...but from the sound of some of the most recent posts, more than a few schools have trouble even getting kids out to form a team. When the BVC has Vanlue (smallest football-playing school, with 30 boys), Pandora-Gilboa (6th smallest, with 53 boys), Arcadia (16th smallest, with 65 boys), and Hardin Northern (17th smallest, with 66 boys), it wouldn't take a very big school to be considered HUGE by these standards. That's four schools out of the bottom 17. Throw in Cory-Rawson, Arlington, and Leipsic (each probably in the bottom half of the D6 schools in the state, and you have 7 schools that are currently in the bottom 12th in Ohio (football-playing, that is).

It's not that L-B is too big for the BVC, it is that the majority of the BVC has been so used to being like-sized and SO SMALL, that they have been sheltered from playing decent sized schools. A LARGE MAJORITY of schools in Ohio are bigger than Liberty-Benton, and a good number of them are in conferences that have D6 schools among their members.

I wonder if there should be some more consideration of consolidation from some BVC schools, or maybe consideration of joining weaker conferences. Or...maybe trying so hard to get L-B to leave would solve that problem...the BVC would soon become a weaker conference, and they wouldn't have to go looking for a new conference...

Personally, I think expansion is a good idea...and I also feel that Riverdale is the best natural fit among outlying schools. Whether or not Riverdale sent a letter of interest or made a presentation...ultimately, any conference interested in inviting schools to join their conference has the ability to ask whomever they wish to join. The BVC has not asked anyone to join yet, and we don't really know if they even will. It has all been "gauging interest" to this point. Riverdale has had business of its own to deal with. BVC expansion has never been a guarantee, but a future without a conference for Riverdale was surely looming if they did not vote to join the N10.

Am I happy with their decision to join the N10...YES. Would I be happier if Riverdale would have expressed interest in the BVC...FOR SURE...expecially if Carey also expressed that same interest.

But I still say NOTHING has been determined yet (as far as expansion for the BVC goes), and I would still like for the BVC to try to "sell themselves" as a good place to call home to schools like Riverdale, Carey, Bluffton, and Ada...those would be the best four schools to add when it comes to proximity and a good balance of competition. It would be hard to find a tougher all-around small-school conference in the state (besides the almighty MAC, of course).

Edited by falconfan84, 25 April 2012 - 12:08 PM.

[Muahahaha]

Here is another team to consider...Kenton. Yes, they have done well is football over the years, but other than that, they have not done well in other sports consistantly. Kenton has been on rough roads with the other teams in the WBL and I am sure the WBL would not shed tears if Kenton left for a new conference.

[polkhigh33]

^^^^ he's been listening to Radiodave

[cropduster]

Rumor mill spinning again, It is believed that if expansion is voted down L-B will take the four largest BVC members and form a new league leaving any school that voted against expansion out of the new league,such as Arlington and leave the other BVC members to keep the BVC as is. New League: L-B, V-b, McComb, Leipsic, H-L probably, North Baltimore, Calvert, ADA maybe, Bluffton, maybe and Elmwood -that is just speculation. The BVC would then be Arlington, Arcadia, Vanlue, HN, CR, PG, and probably others.

[WebFire]

What do those other 4 largest BVC members say about that?

[DirtyPBear76]

Crop - I heard that although Riverdale says they are in the N10, they too are in if the BVC opens it up to them. I know they didn't give a proposal but the word is it is a no brainer for them to join the BVC.

[jawbreaker]

cropduster, on 10 May 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Rumor mill spinning again, It is believed that if expansion is voted down L-B will take the four largest BVC members and form a new league leaving any school that voted against expansion out of the new league,such as Arlington and leave the other BVC members to keep the BVC as is. New League: L-B, V-b, McComb, Leipsic, H-L probably, North Baltimore, Calvert, ADA maybe, Bluffton, maybe and Elmwood -that is just speculation. The BVC would then be Arlington, Arcadia, Vanlue, HN, CR, PG, and probably others.

As a Bluffton fan, it would be interesting to see if there really is any interest in jumping leagues. It would be hard for me to imagine them going to a different league.

[Whiterabbit]

cropduster, on 10 May 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Rumor mill spinning again, It is believed that if expansion is voted down L-B will take the four largest BVC members and form a new league leaving any school that voted against expansion out of the new league,such as Arlington and leave the other BVC members to keep the BVC as is. New League: L-B, V-b, McComb, Leipsic, H-L probably, North Baltimore, Calvert, ADA maybe, Bluffton, maybe and Elmwood -that is just speculation. The BVC would then be Arlington, Arcadia, Vanlue, HN, CR, PG, and probably others.

I think you are right on, just maybe off a little in perception. I think LB would leave (can't take anyone with them); with that being said all remaining schools will have to make decision, do we stay or do we go. I think VB being similiar in size with LB would be wise to say, why do we want to be big school in really small school league that might have 2 teams that can't even field a football team, if we start winning they will want us out. Hey LB, where you going, maybe we can come to?? I think this would happen say with the top 3-4 largest schools. And maybe some opt to stay. The smaller schools aren't going anywhere, they are getting exactly what they want. But I think some schools on the small side would be like wait a minute, we didn't want LB to go...my question is why aren't they standing up and saying we want them to stay?!?! I know a lot smarter people than me are looking at this, I just hope IF there is a fall out and any backlash they should be aware, prepared and understand that when they place their vote. I think I have only heard 1-2 people on here, (yes I know they don't represent their schools) that indicated they WANT LB to stay, Leipsic fan said this; can't remember other.