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[whatdoiknow]

words of wisdom from a supporter of a school who provides neither great academics nor athletics. Your getting old falcon and starting to sound like the voice of generations past.

[tiffindude3313]

...and obviously doesn't even apply in this case as he is a multi-sport athlete (doesn't specifically specialize) and, since the topic was started originally about Vanlue canning their coach, I don't think if he's looking he thinks it's all about him and his ego necessarily rather more a reaction to a 17 and 3 coach being dismissed. As I said before, time will tell......

[falconfan84]

whatdoiknow, on 28 April 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

words of wisdom from a supporter of a school who provides neither great academics nor athletics. Your getting old falcon and starting to sound like the voice of generations past.

Riverdale was rated as an "Excellent" school district for 2010-2011, we have a 2011 graduate who received a full ride to (and currently attends) Harvard University, and this year's quiz bowl team has multiple victories on televised matches and is preparing for Nationals. Also, not that band means anything to most folks on here, but we have the largest high school band from the Hancock/Hardin/Wyandot county area (outside of Findlay, Upper Sandusky, or Kenton), and we're catching Kenton's. I'd count band as something you could measure a school's success in...and probably more in the area of academics than athletics.

These sound like fairly current happenings to me. You may not know these things because quite possibly your only source of info could be coming from The Courier. All you'll see there (academically) about Riverdale is the occasional Honor Roll. If we were L-B, maybe we'd make sure to plaster every accomplishment in the paper, or they'd just automatically do it for us, since the BVC schools are the darlings of the area to the Courier anyways.

The not too distant past saw our girls' BB team put together a very nice winning streak in our conference against some very good teams (twice per season) during that stretch...not to mention the appearances at state and multiple regionals. Also pretty strong soccer programs. You can also take cheerleading (whether or not you consider it a sport)...our competition cheerleading is some of the best around, having going undefeated at least one of the past two seasons. Had Mindy Justice not died tragically a couple years ago, she was OSU-bound for cheerleading.

I'm not saying we're world-beaters (why did you bring Riverdale into this anyways??)...and I don't know what school system you represent either...but I'm not sure what anything Riverdale or any other school has ever done academically or athletically has to do with my opinion about why kids these days (who just happen to be great athletes) make decisions to jump ship when things don't go the way they feel it should.

I'd say a VERY high percent of cases involve a decision based on athletics, not academics.

Edited by falconfan84, 28 April 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[falconfan84]

tiffindude3313, on 28 April 2012 - 01:08 PM, said:

...and obviously doesn't even apply in this case as he is a multi-sport athlete (doesn't specifically specialize) and, since the topic was started originally about Vanlue canning their coach, I don't think if he's looking he thinks it's all about him and his ego necessarily rather more a reaction to a 17 and 3 coach being dismissed. As I said before, time will tell......

We KNOW it isn't about academics. This thread didn't start because his science teacher is gone.

All of this talk started as a result of his basketball coach not having his contract renewed....IT'S SPORTS. Here's where I will start to sound old: There was once a day where kids and parents didn't give transferring or moving a second thought...but we are a much more spoiled society than we once were. We expect success much more than we used to. We see coaches come and go more than ever at ALL levels. If you can't win, you don't stay long. The biggest problem with that mentality is that for one team to win, another has to lose...EVERYBODY CAN'T WIN. We need to get over the idea that we all must be winners. We will do whatever it takes to win in our society, whether that is putting little Johnny on a travel team at age 4, paying multi-million dollar contracts for a college coach, or even walking away from our current surroundings (usually a team without the desired success) to go to a place where success is more of a guarantee. To me, the taste of this type of "success" is not nearly as sweet as doing it the "old-fashioned" way.

This whole thread took the direction of talking about WHERE this young man would be taking his talents instead of WHO will be the next coach at Vanlue. What would be wrong with Garber finishing high school at Vanlue? It's been kind of funny how many people are salivating over the thought of this kid coming to their school to HELP them gain more success. As much as I'd welcome him over to Riverdale to play with our team, you don't see me on here stating he SHOULD. That also goes to all the other area schools who obviously (according to whatdoiknow) have much better academics and athletics than Riverdale would ever hope for.

Edited by falconfan84, 28 April 2012 - 01:50 PM.

[cubbies4life]

falconfan84, on 28 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Riverdale was rated as an "Excellent" school district for 2010-2011, we have a 2011 graduate who received a full ride to (and currently attends) Harvard University, and this year's quiz bowl team has multiple victories on televised matches and is preparing for Nationals. Also, not that band means anything to most folks on here, but we have the largest high school band from the Hancock/Hardin/Wyandot county area (outside of Findlay, Upper Sandusky, or Kenton), and we're catching Kenton's. I'd count band as something you could measure a school's success in...and probably more in the area of academics than athletics.

These sound like fairly current happenings to me. You may not know these things because quite possibly your only source of info could be coming from The Courier. All you'll see there (academically) about Riverdale is the occasional Honor Roll. If we were L-B, maybe we'd make sure to plaster every accomplishment in the paper, or they'd just automatically do it for us, since the BVC schools are the darlings of the area to the Courier anyways.

The not too distant past saw our girls' BB team put together a very nice winning streak in our conference against some very good teams (twice per season) during that stretch...not to mention the appearances at state and multiple regionals. Also pretty strong soccer programs. You can also take cheerleading (whether or not you consider it a sport)...our competition cheerleading is some of the best around, having going undefeated at least one of the past two seasons. Had Mindy Justice not died tragically a couple years ago, she was OSU-bound for cheerleading.

I'm not saying we're world-beaters (why did you bring Riverdale into this anyways??)...and I don't know what school system you represent either...but I'm not sure what anything Riverdale or any other school has ever done academically or athletically has to do with my opinion about why kids these days (who just happen to be great athletes) make decisions to jump ship when things don't go the way they feel it should.

I'd say a VERY high percent of cases involve a decision based on athletics, not academics.

Falcon, Why is LB always mentioned in your posts? You even said why is Riverdale brought into this discussions and you do the exact same thing commenting about how LB controls the Courier. Gimme a break!

[whatdoiknow]

i was kidding please switch to decaf.

[Corleone]

falconfan84, on 28 April 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

If we were L-B, maybe we'd make sure to plaster every accomplishment in the paper...

Thanks for the plug for the school's full-time PR director. His office is right next to the Recruiting Coordinator's....

[TheVanillaBum]

Times change. I see a lot of complaining about how bad "Generation X" is. I understand elderly folk don't like change, but it's for the better. Do you expect us to go out and chop our own wood because it is "harder" and "builds character"? Do you expect us to still go to the restroom in an outhouse? Sports and education have changed. Pretty soon, this will all be the norm, and once new change comes about, people will complain about that. I also understand that certain things are morally correct and others are not. But, as traditionalists have stated, it is "just sports". So, if kids want to succeed in a sport and think transferring is the best way to go about it, let it be. THEY are the ones giving up friends, sometimes family, etc. Not YOU.

[falconfan84]

cubbies4life, on 28 April 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

Falcon, Why is LB always mentioned in your posts? You even said why is Riverdale brought into this discussions and you do the exact same thing commenting about how LB controls the Courier. Gimme a break!

You could plug almost any BVC school into where I typed L-B. I was using them as a quick example...NOT picking directly on them. I have seen plenty of academic-related article from the likes of Cory-Rawson, Van Buren, Arlington, Arcadia, and Vanlue. I was a little over-the-top when I used the word "plaster"...bad choice of words. I really don't know who initiates what becomes an article, but how does The Courier know about it if they're not made aware of it? I'm assuming that in many cases, area schools contact the paper with happenings that can be used as an article about what's going on at their school. The more of those articles/pictures that are printed, the more exposure (mostly positive) that a school receives...eventually becoming part of a reputation that a school can get. I'd guess that many on here may not have a positive image of the Ridgemont school district. If you read The Courier, all you would know about Ridgemont is that they offer many a BVC school an easy win now and again. But to read the Kenton Times, you'd see that their students are involved in a pretty strong FFA, and do a lot in their community. Ridgemont students have a very nice showing of art at the Hardin Co. Fair every year, not to mention their 4-H groups, etc. You need to know more than just sports scores in order to build a true perception of a school before making snide remarks. I will admit, I'm guilty of this myself, but I really try not to come on these boards and come back on someone's post with a response that basically states that because of your school affiliation, your opinion is meaningless. It rubs me the wrong way, so (although I might fail every once in a while) I TRY not to do that to others .

Again, I'll reiterate...what does any of this really have to do with THIS TOPIC???....I don't know...but I thought I might try to help whatdoiknow out with some info he/she might not be aware of...something that might change a bit of his perception of our lowly district. I wonder what the percentage of high school students in this country (not county) get to go to Harvard? I have a feeling that if we so chose to boast of this accomplishment, we very well could have....BUT, we didn't. It doesn't change anything either way about the quality of our school system, but it may have helped the perception that the public has of us, I guess.

Also, I did NOT cut L-B down as far as their abilities or accomplishments...such as whatdoiknow did concerning Riverdale. I did not bring my own school district into this conversation, but I'm not going to take a cut-down such as that without defending it. My point with using L-B (again, I could have used most BVC/Hancock Co. schools) is that people usually find their information from what is publicized. Our school does not get much publicity from the Courier (more sports than anything, but not much else). Most participants on this thread are probably from the area being served by The Courier, and thus my response regarding that. There are too many pre-conceived notions that help build not-so-true "reputations" about schools...and I think most of us (myself included) make the mistake of believing them.

Edited by falconfan84, 28 April 2012 - 06:41 PM.

[falconfan84]

cubbie-
I think there is a bit of a defense mechanism in us that usually "perks our ears up" when someone mentions our school in these threads. I notice that when L-B comes up in conversations, you seem to show up with a rebuttal...much like I do when Riverdale is mentioned. I think we find that to be true with many of us in here.

I really meant nothing specifically pointed toward L-B, just using them as an example for the BVC/Hancock Co. schools.

[cubbies4life]

falconfan84, on 28 April 2012 - 06:53 PM, said:

cubbie-
I think there is a bit of a defense mechanism in us that usually "perks our ears up" when someone mentions our school in these threads. I notice that when L-B comes up in conversations, you seem to show up with a rebuttal...much like I do when Riverdale is mentioned. I think we find that to be true with many of us in here.

I really meant nothing specifically pointed toward L-B, just using them as an example for the BVC/Hancock Co. schools.

My ears do perk up. lol..

[falconfan84]

cubbies4life, on 28 April 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

My ears do perk up. lol..

Not only do my ears perk up, my fingers start typing almost non-stop sometimes. lol.

[bvcpclmal]

falconfan84, on 28 April 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

Not only do my ears perk up, my fingers start typing almost non-stop sometimes. lol.

Falcon,
It looks like you are taking over for Dman on this page.

[whatdoiknow]

i was thinking the same thing

[TheVanillaBum]

Getting close to the originally planned "decision" for this young man. May 5th is the date.

[tiffindude3313]

which means what???

[TheVanillaBum]

Means the decision should be made this weekend. If all has went according to plan.

[tiffindude3313]

Interesting. And all a little James Bond-like!

[caldwell]

Mr. White, with the knife, in the Gym

[veteranlefty]

Hey Vanilla..the 5th has come and gone so what was his decision? This is like Lebron last summer....is he going to take his talents to McComb?