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[tiffindude3313]

spoke to a friend of his parent---no papers filed to go anywhere...still productively playing baseball and track between All Ohio Red AAU tournaments for Vanlue.....and still very frustrated with the situation but also pretty attached to his friends, his school, the community, etc.....they are still supporting him this spring and with his travel ball. He appears to have friends in many area and Ohio schools as he has played a lot of different sports with many of them (see earlier with the 'sightings' at the state tournament, as far away as Dunbar and St. V's!). Time will tell.

[tiffindude3313]

and btw cubbies---I bet almost any school in the state would love to have your 'non-factor' Just sayin...

[gamekeeper]

Brandon May is 6'2, A.J. cody is 6'2" and Nate Maag is 6' not sure which one will be the key post player from LB next sure but I imagine it will be one of these, May has dressed some varsity this year. LB has done well in defending post player scorers, just saying. LB guards will be real solid next year.

[Mr Bearcat]

I know John Darnall can shoot the ball well. ;(

[gamekeeper]

Mr Bearcat, on 24 April 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

I know John Darnall can shoot the ball well. ;(

Yep good for one 3 pointer every year...

[Mr Bearcat]

gamekeeper, on 25 April 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

Yep good for one 3 pointer every year...

As long as its Not against us again, he can hit all the 3's he wants.

[fightingpanther]

I realize Garber may be exploring other options. But for anyone to think that the academics would play a role in this is crazy. Especially if he would happen to attend McComb over LB when the dust settles. Its funny because the head football coach at McComb doesn't even send his own daughter to McComb he has open enrolled her to LB. That should give everyone a good idea how someone from within the system fills about the academics at McComb. I for one wish the boy the best but he should just stay put at Vanlue for his last year. He will get his bball offers from playing AAU this summer.

[cubbies4life]

tiffindude3313, on 24 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

and btw cubbies---I bet almost any school in the state would love to have your 'non-factor' Just sayin...

I was not being disrespectful. I saw just him playing one game and LB defended him well that night. Sounds like he is a special player no doubt.

[TheVanillaBum]

fightingpanther, on 25 April 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

I realize Garber may be exploring other options. But for anyone to think that the academics would play a role in this is crazy. Especially if he would happen to attend McComb over LB when the dust settles. Its funny because the head football coach at McComb doesn't even send his own daughter to McComb he has open enrolled her to LB. That should give everyone a good idea how someone from within the system fills about the academics at McComb. I for one wish the boy the best but he should just stay put at Vanlue for his last year. He will get his bball offers from playing AAU this summer.

Coaches send their kids to different schools all the time so they don't take heat for showing favoritism (if it's a boy and they coach boy's sports) and if it is a girl, no man wants all of his players talking about his daughter. But, comparing to Vanlue, almost any school would be an upgrade academically and athletically, although I agree, academics shouldn't play a role. At this point in his career, a senior year has very little impact on a kids educational career. But, as far as education goes, it relies more on the kids/families that live in your town and attend your school more so then the education system. You cannot tell me that if (insert huge city name) public schools hire the best professors/teachers in the country that all of the sudden they are going to graduate the same percentage of students as a rural/private school would. Just won't happen.

[slingblade]

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I realize Garber may be exploring other options. But for anyone to think that the academics would play a role in this is crazy. Especially if he would happen to attend McComb over LB when the dust settles. Its funny because the head football coach at McComb doesn't even send his own daughter to McComb he has open enrolled her to LB. That should give everyone a good idea how someone from within the system fills about the academics at McComb. I for one wish the boy the best but he should just stay put at Vanlue for his last year. He will get his bball offers from playing AAU this summer.

Perfect post!!!

[slingblade]

Vanilla.....it would be zero advantage to attend McComb over Vanlue for academics. In my discussions with the coach you are mentioning, you are off a bit on the decision sending his daughter to LB.

Edited by slingblade, 25 April 2012 - 08:54 PM.

[TheVanillaBum]

slingblade, on 25 April 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Vanilla.....it would be zero advantage to attend McComb over Vanlue for academics. In my discussions with the coach you are mentioning, you are off a bit on the decision sending his daughter to LB.

I was speaking in a general sense of why coaches who don't send their kids to the school at which they coach, typically do so. And I don't believe education systems truly matter as much as the kids that attend the school do. But, if we are speaking statistically, it would be to the advantage of Garber to go to many other schools around here whose education systems are "better" than Vanlue's. Again, based on test scores, etc. As we already established, education shouldn't and will not be the deciding factor.

[Voice_of_reason]

TheVanillaBum, on 26 April 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

I was speaking in a general sense of why coaches who don't send their kids to the school at which they coach, typically do so. And I don't believe education systems truly matter as much as the kids that attend the school do. But, if we are speaking statistically, it would be to the advantage of Garber to go to many other schools around here whose education systems are "better" than Vanlue's. Again, based on test scores, etc. As we already established, education shouldn't and will not be the deciding factor.

Most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Education should not be a deciding factor on where a HIGH SCHOOL kid should attend school. Man priorities in life are way off for some people. You attend high school for an education. Being able to play sports is a privilege. No wonder our world is so messed up with the majority of the people having this type of mind set

[bvcgrad]

I may be wrong but I think I have heard of cases like this one, where the OHSAA simply will not allow the athlete to play at the school where they have moved. In cases like this where everyone and there brother knows it is all about athletics.

[TheVanillaBum]

bvcgrad, on 26 April 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

I may be wrong but I think I have heard of cases like this one, where the OHSAA simply will not allow the athlete to play at the school where they have moved. In cases like this where everyone and there brother knows it is all about athletics.

Voice_of_reason, on 26 April 2012 - 09:33 AM, said:

Most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Education should not be a deciding factor on where a HIGH SCHOOL kid should attend school. Man priorities in life are way off for some people. You attend high school for an education. Being able to play sports is a privilege. No wonder our world is so messed up with the majority of the people having this type of mind set

slingblade, on 25 April 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Vanilla.....it would be zero advantage to attend McComb over Vanlue for academics. In my discussions with the coach you are mentioning, you are off a bit on the decision sending his daughter to LB.

Grad, I have heard of these cases too. However, the OHSAA has been proven to back off completely when the athlete(s) threaten to take it to court in which the OHSAA wants no business in because the athlete is not (technically) breaking rules.

Sling, your intel might have been just a bit off. An anonymous source of mine has talked to Alge before of this case. Alge was to say the least appalled. It was his daughter's decision for one, for two, they live closer to L-B, and for three, she wanted to play soccer. Alge had no part in the decision of school choice.

Sorry if this is DMan-ish, but lastly voice, I don't really agree with how things are, but let's be realistic, it's the truth. A kid typically doesn't care about his education, especially since in this case, Garber is already a senior. Athletics and friends will be much of the deciding factor...given he decides to move which seems pretty apparent.

[PostPlayer]

slingblade, on 25 April 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Perfect post!!!

I agree! Perfect (unless Garber chooses Atown

[cropduster]

Shut this down ASAP

[tiffindude3313]

Vanilla--I think you sell many student-athletes short by saying they don't care about academics at the point of being a senior. I get 'senior-itis' and all that, but to say it doesn't matter is an exact reflection of some of what's wrong with our society. If no one cares, then why even have a senior year? Why not graduate early? Not all kids take it easy their senior years, and as a matter of fact, when my son was deciding on a college, that was one of the things admissions personnel looked at---how hard did they work their last year? Did the student take a cake schedule or what? Absences mattered, too. Maybe your child or your experience was different, and if it was/is the way you say, that's too bad. A great learning opportunity was missed. Also, people in that district were not pleased at all with you editorializing your comments about the quality of the education there. They have had some extremely talented students, and this class (rising seniors) is evidently very strong. Many are in National Honor Society, take PSO classes very successfully, and will be going on to do great things in the classroom (and on the court). Vanlue probably can't offer the multitude of course offerings bigger schools can, but they can give much more personalized attention than most can, and if they do indeed allow for and encourage PSO and other opportunities (as many people told me they do), it sounds like they are trying to make up for deficiencies that may happen with their size. Don't forget that a school that size only needs one or two students not to do well on the testing for their numbers to be skewed. In this student-athlete's case, he's a valedictorian candidate who scored very high on his ACT as a sophomore, and who is taking college prep courses across the board as well as PSO. It looks like academics does mean something to him, as well it should. These kids are students first, players second, even though many do get it backwards. We shouldn't be doing things to encourage that backward mentality, and we definitely shouldn't just accept it and call it a norm. My mom and dad always told me to get as much education as I possibly could, because it was something no one could take away from me once I had it. Friends, etc. are important, too, of course....I just think there's much more to this than what you've boiled it down to.

[TheVanillaBum]

tiffindude3313, on 27 April 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Vanilla--I think you sell many student-athletes short by saying they don't care about academics at the point of being a senior. I get 'senior-itis' and all that, but to say it doesn't matter is an exact reflection of some of what's wrong with our society. If no one cares, then why even have a senior year? Why not graduate early? Not all kids take it easy their senior years, and as a matter of fact, when my son was deciding on a college, that was one of the things admissions personnel looked at---how hard did they work their last year? Did the student take a cake schedule or what? Absences mattered, too. Maybe your child or your experience was different, and if it was/is the way you say, that's too bad. A great learning opportunity was missed. Also, people in that district were not pleased at all with you editorializing your comments about the quality of the education there. They have had some extremely talented students, and this class (rising seniors) is evidently very strong. Many are in National Honor Society, take PSO classes very successfully, and will be going on to do great things in the classroom (and on the court). Vanlue probably can't offer the multitude of course offerings bigger schools can, but they can give much more personalized attention than most can, and if they do indeed allow for and encourage PSO and other opportunities (as many people told me they do), it sounds like they are trying to make up for deficiencies that may happen with their size. Don't forget that a school that size only needs one or two students not to do well on the testing for their numbers to be skewed. In this student-athlete's case, he's a valedictorian candidate who scored very high on his ACT as a sophomore, and who is taking college prep courses across the board as well as PSO. It looks like academics does mean something to him, as well it should. These kids are students first, players second, even though many do get it backwards. We shouldn't be doing things to encourage that backward mentality, and we definitely shouldn't just accept it and call it a norm. My mom and dad always told me to get as much education as I possibly could, because it was something no one could take away from me once I had it. Friends, etc. are important, too, of course....I just think there's much more to this than what you've boiled it down to.

Couldn't agree more. I worded it a little off of what I meant. The education most definitely means something. But, when comparing education system to an education system, by a kids senior year, his brain is almost fully developed. It isn't the sponge it used to be. So, at this point, will a senior care about getting good grades, challenging him/herself, etc? most certainly. But, as far as choosing a school based on their quality of education system in your senior year... couldn't see it affecting his (or any other senior's) decision in a case like this. If he was a freshmen or even a sophomore most definitely. But, the education systems in the BVC are comparable to the point where your not gaining a whole lot from one year in a "better" education system. I agree, education is first. But, where they (students athletes like Garber) get their education, doesn't mean much to them, usually. Always exceptions

[falconfan84]

I don't even know why ANYONE is talking about education on this thread. If Garber ends up transferring, it won't be because of education. It will be because of athletics...this is what too much focus on sports is doing to kids these days...and parents aren't helping matters one bit. All they see (in their dream world) is little Johnny getting a full-ride scholarship and turning pro before he graduates college. High school sports USED to be a place where your school, and community pride, meant something. That's no longer the case. Once these kids' egos get too big, all they worry about is THEMSELVES. We're ruining high school sports...AND the last few years of letting kids be kids. It's pretty sad when the only physical activity that kids get these days is organized sports from the age of 4 and up. I bet kids of 30 years ago were more fundamentally developed by just hanging out at the ball diamond than they are attending summer camps and "specializing" like they do now...and they did this all by themselves with their friends, families didn't have to surrender a big chunk of their lives to support what is turning into a sports addiction for the parents.

Edited by falconfan84, 27 April 2012 - 11:39 PM.