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[Mr Bearcat]

jawbreaker, on 11 April 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

I rather keep Ada and lose Paulding. That drive on a weeknight for other sports isn't enjoyable.

I agree 100%

[FiredupDevil]

I have to believe the expansion proposal just got a lot more attractive to several school in keeping LB in the conference thanks to the new Football Divisions. Its going to be mighty hard for LB to make the playoffs in D V playing 8 DVII schools on a yearly basis. Bringing in other schools should help keep the Eagles in the conference

[falconfan84]

If the BVC expands, the extra non-conference games are HUGE for playoff possibilities. Not only would L-B have the opportunity to pick up a school that might help give them needed computer points, but the conference as a whole has the ability to pick up non-conference wins that will carry over as 2nd-round points to the winners of BVC contests. In league play, all the wins and losses equal out, so second round points can't add up nearly as quick as teams play their conference schedule. Non-conference wins are big...then you watch (and root for) those non-conference opponents that you beat. The more non-conference wins, the better. That helps eliminate common opponents (which eventually end up playing each other, giving teams losses).

So, even if L-B is D5 (and could still possibly end up a big D6 some years), if the conference brings in schools like Ada, Riverdale, Hopewell-Loudan, etc., these schools' non-conference opponents will likely end up being teams from different areas that more-than-likely won't be playing (and beating) each other. If an expanded BVC can get extra non-conference wins, and L-B can still go 8-2, I don't think they will have much problem making a playoff system where 32 out of 108 (8 teams out of 27 per region) teams get to advance.

[Common Sense]

The competitive balance initiative that's just been instituted may force LB to move out of the BVC. As a D5, they are going to play 8 games against D7 teams? That's not going to bring about many playoff points, even if you win 8-9 games a season.

[falconfan84]

Common Sense, on 13 April 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

The competitive balance initiative that's just been instituted may force LB to move out of the BVC. As a D5, they are going to play 8 games against D7 teams? That's not going to bring about many playoff points, even if you win 8-9 games a season.

Not neccessarily...
If the BVC expands, some of the teams could be D6...

...AND...

...having two divisions would mean not playing everybody in the BVC...meaning probably not facing every D7 BVC team. If they pick up a couple D4 non-conference games against schools that play (and can win against) larger schools AND BEAT THEM, they would be sitting just fine.

Edited by falconfan84, 13 April 2012 - 01:27 PM.

[PostPlayer]

Let us not forget that LB had Elida on the schedule a few years ago and opted out after losing to them, which they felt hurt their chances to make the playoffs. Fast forward to today with realignment, and now it's all about how LB needs to play schools of their size in order to make playoffs. My how things change...but this realignment has no question hurt LB more than any other school in the area. I like the BVC for the most part, but wouldn't doubt if LB moves on now. Unless a major change is made in BVC, the odds of making playoffs are slim even if LB goes undefeated. On the other hand...it has helped all the D7 schools, particularly Arlington with playing Riverdale (D6) in opener and VB (D6), LB (D5) and the likes...as long as they beat 2 of the 3.

Big questions all around...it will be interesting to see this pan out now that this new alignment has happened. I would be shocked if we don't see at least 2 teams that are D5 or bigger come in now.

[cubbies4life]

I just love post.

First of all LB going nowhere.

2. LB played Elida for 2 years after they had several good teams that would of destroyed Elida who went through a 1-29 record.

3. First year they played was when Aaron decided not to play football his senior year. It was a close game and if he plays different outcome.

4. Arlingto plays the always powerful Riverdale every year for points.

5. 10 in a row and counting.

[polkhigh33]

Sounds like the NWCC and the CCC may now be in danger of disbanding from their current format.

Fort Loramie, Troy Christian and Lehman from the NWCC would join with Miami East, Arcanum, Bradford, Covington and possibly Houston and another team.

[oberhaus]

polkhigh33, on 14 April 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Sounds like the NWCC and the CCC may now be in danger of disbanding from their current format.

Fort Loramie, Troy Christian and Lehman from the NWCC would join with Miami East, Arcanum, Bradford, Covington and possibly Houston and another team.

When did Houston get a team?

[polkhigh33]

Houston is trying to start football

[polkhigh33]

Bethel was the other team I forgot to mention above.

[WebFire]

cubbies4life, on 14 April 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

5. 10 in a row and counting.

What is 10 in a row?

[effingA]

I'm guessing how many times LB has beaten Arlington?

[cubbies4life]

effingA, on 15 April 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

I'm guessing how many times LB has beaten Arlington?

Yes..Having some fun with Post Player.

[PostPlayer]

cubbies4life, on 14 April 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

I just love post.

First of all LB going nowhere.

2. LB played Elida for 2 years after they had several good teams that would of destroyed Elida who went through a 1-29 record.

3. First year they played was when Aaron decided not to play football his senior year. It was a close game and if he plays different outcome.

4. Arlingto plays the always powerful Riverdale every year for points.

5. 10 in a row and counting.

All valid points Cubbie...however, you are missing ONE MAJOR POINT...

LB HAD their D3 opponent on their schedule and LOST to them (Elida). FIrst you want the tougher opponent for computer points, then you lose Craft, lose the game and NOW DON'T want to play them (but you point out that you would have beat them w/ Craft). What is it really? Let's not forget as well that you BOUGHT out that game with Elida so that your team could make the playoffs knowing you would have had a tough game against Elida with a 50/50 chance of winning/losing - so you literally paid to get them off of your schedule. That is fact.

Arlington had a chance to get rid of Rdale a few years ago and elected to not do so. Why? Because tradition with this school was more important than trying to get add'l points by playing a better team like Carey, etc. You cannot "chase" computer points year to year based on your team's ability - take your schedule and live with it. Some years it works out and some years it does not. As for "Arlington playing Riverdale for computer points" - that is also not true. This rivalry has been going on well before computer points were around...it has nothing to do with points. If it did, we would have bailed out when we could have and found a new opponent that would have helped us with points. Fact is - we value the rivalry more than the points, not too mention that this is one of our top 2 gates all year in football.

I guess we agree to disagree - but you have ZERO chance of refuting my comments on Elida v LB. A mixed message comes from LB on this topic - I guess it changes year-to-year based on the quality of your team.

Edited by PostPlayer, 17 April 2012 - 07:56 AM.

[falconfan84]

PostPlayer, on 17 April 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

Fact is - we value the rivalry more than the points, not too mention that this is one of our top 2 gates all year in football.

I agree. Unfortunately, Riverdale's better teams are few and far between...BUT...Arlington is a big rival, and we have a decent following. If we were to join the BVC, I think the member schools would appreciate the gates we would bring them. And,,,not that it matters to most of you, I think Riverdale's band would provide a better-than-average halftime show for a BVC game.

[jawbreaker]

PostPlayer, on 17 April 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

I guess we agree to disagree - but you have ZERO chance of refuting my comments on Elida v LB. A mixed message comes from LB on this topic - I guess it changes year-to-year based on the quality of your team.

Why do you care so much? A team can schedule whoever they want. Not every game needs to be against long time rivals. And yes, that game vs Elida with Craft would have been a different game. It must suck to get that worked up on a message board.

[Falcon86]

PostPlayer, on 17 April 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

All valid points Cubbie...however, you are missing ONE MAJOR POINT...

LB HAD their D3 opponent on their schedule and LOST to them (Elida). FIrst you want the tougher opponent for computer points, then you lose Craft, lose the game and NOW DON'T want to play them (but you point out that you would have beat them w/ Craft). What is it really? Let's not forget as well that you BOUGHT out that game with Elida so that your team could make the playoffs knowing you would have had a tough game against Elida with a 50/50 chance of winning/losing - so you literally paid to get them off of your schedule. That is fact.

Arlington had a chance to get rid of Rdale a few years ago and elected to not do so. Why? Because tradition with this school was more important than trying to get add'l points by playing a better team like Carey, etc. You cannot "chase" computer points year to year based on your team's ability - take your schedule and live with it. Some years it works out and some years it does not. As for "Arlington playing Riverdale for computer points" - that is also not true. This rivalry has been going on well before computer points were around...it has nothing to do with points. If it did, we would have bailed out when we could have and found a new opponent that would have helped us with points. Fact is - we value the rivalry more than the points, not too mention that this is one of our top 2 gates all year in football.

I guess we agree to disagree - but you have ZERO chance of refuting my comments on Elida v LB. A mixed message comes from LB on this topic - I guess it changes year-to-year based on the quality of your team.

Post, Post, Post......always willing to bash LB without your facts.

The fact is LB attempted to renew the 2-year contract with Elida. Elida was the one that did not want to renew the contract.

Also, the BVC as is will only exist for 2 more years. After which it will be disbanded with Vanlue, Arlington and Hardin Northern voting against expansion. At that time the remaining BVC schools will enter into a new league with bigger schools to allow the likes of LB a better chance to compete in the playoffs leaving the three nay sayers to find a new league. Or, LB, among others schools, will leave the conference for greener pastures. LB leaving is what the BVC wants, but as mentioned in other posts, it only hurts the remaining BVC members as they lose out on the opportunity to beat a DIV 5 school.

It all comes down to Arlington "Cowboying Up" and approving expansion......but my guess is it will be a NO vote because Arlington does not want "tougher" competition.

[veteranlefty]

Do most agree with Falcon's assessment of what BVC schools will do when it comes time to vote? I guess that is why Riverdale is keeping it's options open with N10 league. I was getting the feeling many on here thought that a 4 team (at least 2) expansion was going to be the end game here.

[LBHS79]

If the BVC schools vote down expansion LB will leave the BVC in two years....then Arlington will be become the big bully on the block and everyone will hate them.....wait everyone already does.