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[cubbies4life]

PostPlayer, on 07 April 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

I have been on both sides of this debate from a support perspective.

My only complaint is that this is 100% driven by LB for the betterment of their program. There are parts that I like about expansion, but if the only intent is to make sure LB has a legit shot at making playoffs in football without going undefeated, then I am not so sure I like it.

I say vote in Riverdale as a BVC member, and ask HN or Vanlue (or both) to enter the USV conference in football ONLY. That would allow for one or two out of league games (which would keep LB happy with looking for another DIII school to play not named Elida) and keep the integrity of the BVC. Riverdale should have been in this league for many years and is the best draw for the BVC in many ways.

It's time to do something cause the clock is ticking and teams that should be in our league can't wait forever.

Only for LB? Interesting.

Sounds to me like Arlington does not want expansion for their reasons. Maybe don't want the BVC to improve? How many years has Arlington made the playoffs in football and the last time they beat the evil empire?

When LB played Elida for those 2 years I believe Elida was D-2.
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Edited by cubbies4life, 07 April 2012 - 11:18 AM.

[bob22]

PostPlayer, on 07 April 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

I have been on both sides of this debate from a support perspective.

My only complaint is that this is 100% driven by LB for the betterment of their program. There are parts that I like about expansion, but if the only intent is to make sure LB has a legit shot at making playoffs in football without going undefeated, then I am not so sure I like it.

I say vote in Riverdale as a BVC member, and ask HN or Vanlue (or both) to enter the USV conference in football ONLY. That would allow for one or two out of league games (which would keep LB happy with looking for another DIII school to play not named Elida) and keep the integrity of the BVC. Riverdale should have been in this league for many years and is the best draw for the BVC in many ways.

It's time to do something cause the clock is ticking and teams that should be in our league can't wait forever.

100% driven by LB? Yeah what do the McCombs, Leipsics, and CRs need with larger gates that practically anybody not named Vanlue would bring?

As long as the offer to leave for football only comes from the school and isn't a shove out the door by everybody else thats fine. By shoving one or both out precedent is set. What happens when CR or PG's enrollment drops and they struggle to field teams? Shove'em out too?

Edited by bob22, 07 April 2012 - 12:55 PM.

[Ericles]

PostPlayer, on 07 April 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

I have been on both sides of this debate from a support perspective.

My only complaint is that this is 100% driven by LB for the betterment of their program. There are parts that I like about expansion, but if the only intent is to make sure LB has a legit shot at making playoffs in football without going undefeated, then I am not so sure I like it.

I say vote in Riverdale as a BVC member, and ask HN or Vanlue (or both) to enter the USV conference in football ONLY. That would allow for one or two out of league games (which would keep LB happy with looking for another DIII school to play not named Elida) and keep the integrity of the BVC. Riverdale should have been in this league for many years and is the best draw for the BVC in many ways.

It's time to do something cause the clock is ticking and teams that should be in our league can't wait forever.

Yeah, add me to the group who wonders where you get the idea that this is LB-driven. It would behoove the conference as a whole to explore expansion to see if it's beneficial, or even possible.

[Corleone]

You can glean from PostPlayer's post that he represents a good cross-section of the Arlington community when it comes to the expansion topic. I've suspected all along this was a prime reason Arlington was against it. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt on this, because there are issues with the expansion idea, but if the only reason is to defeat the great Satan they need to get a grip.

[Whiterabbit]

Corleone, on 07 April 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

You can glean from PostPlayer's post that he represents a good cross-section of the Arlington community when it comes to the expansion topic. I've suspected all along this was a prime reason Arlington was against it. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt on this, because there are issues with the expansion idea, but if the only reason is to defeat the great Satan they need to get a grip.

Love it, well said!

[PostPlayer]

Corleone, on 07 April 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

You can glean from PostPlayer's post that he represents a good cross-section of the Arlington community when it comes to the expansion topic. I've suspected all along this was a prime reason Arlington was against it. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt on this, because there are issues with the expansion idea, but if the only reason is to defeat the great Satan they need to get a grip.

Wow - you are SOOOO wrong on this one. Arlington is probably the only school in the conference that DOES NOT want LB to go anywhere - and that includes this postplayer. The BVC needs LB and the rivalry is obvious based on posts on this board alone. Arlington is probably the biggest rivalry in the BVC due to the competitiveness of the two schools in all sports.

My point is that I am not sure what expansion really gets us in the end outside of adding a few more quality schools that can provide computer points for LB. Think about having 2 divisions in football (has to be this way if they add more than 1 school IMO)...who goes to teh bottom feeder side and who would want to??? I know Arlington would not - we want to play the bigger schools, not the smaller schools - as stated earlier in a previous post, Arlington relishes playing the LB's of the world (even though we don't win often in football). Why would Atown want to get pushed into the "small school" division and play Vanlue, HN, Arcadia and CR every year? If not Arlington, then another school would have the same fate. Does a small school division championship mean anything to anyone? Not in Atown - that is for sure.

IN the end, I am in favor of adding Riverdale or maybe Carey, but not sure about multiple schools - not if it means having two divisions split by school size. Someone gets punished.

Of all the schools to pick on for not wanting expansion - it certainly would not be Arlington who year in and out boasts winning records and most recently a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP (girls) and a STATE SEMI final game (boys).

[HH75]

^^^^^^^Really? You'd better go talk to Joe Metezger then cause his letters to the editor of the daily local sure don't come across as pro " we want to play LB, or any school that size" to me!

[falconfan84]

To the people that believe that L-B is too big for the BVC, or needs to go looking for a different conference...they need a reality check. The vast majority of the BVC are very small schools....plus the BVC is absolutely no different in size disparity (top to bottom) than any other league...probably even LESS disparity than many leagues.

Truth is, if L-B leaves, the BVC will resort to being "barely varsity" again before too many years. It is good for a conference to have strong schools in order to give other schools something to keep up with.

[Buckshot]

Post Player where do you get your information? You keep referring to a small school/large school divisional breakdown. That is not the proposal on the table for expansion. It's hard to take any of your comments to heart when you don;t have your factw straight.

[Corleone]

PostPlayer, on 08 April 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Wow - you are SOOOO wrong on this one. Arlington is probably the only school in the conference that DOES NOT want LB to go anywhere - and that includes this postplayer. The BVC needs LB and the rivalry is obvious based on posts on this board alone. Arlington is probably the biggest rivalry in the BVC due to the competitiveness of the two schools in all sports. My point is that I am not sure what expansion really gets us in the end outside of adding a few more quality schools that can provide computer points for LB. Think about having 2 divisions in football (has to be this way if they add more than 1 school IMO)...who goes to teh bottom feeder side and who would want to??? I know Arlington would not - we want to play the bigger schools, not the smaller schools - as stated earlier in a previous post, Arlington relishes playing the LB's of the world (even though we don't win often in football). Why would Atown want to get pushed into the "small school" division and play Vanlue, HN, Arcadia and CR every year? If not Arlington, then another school would have the same fate. Does a small school division championship mean anything to anyone? Not in Atown - that is for sure. IN the end, I am in favor of adding Riverdale or maybe Carey, but not sure about multiple schools - not if it means having two divisions split by school size. Someone gets punished. Of all the schools to pick on for not wanting expansion - it certainly would not be Arlington who year in and out boasts winning records and most recently a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP (girls) and a STATE SEMI final game (boys).

PostPlayer, if I have misjudged your particular viewpoint on this I will apologize, I don't really want to bust your chops on this because I do enjoy your posts and think are a pretty reasonable poster. Nevertheless, I stand by my viewpoint that a good percentage of the Arlington community would be against this for the simple reason that it might benefit LB.

[Bluetiger76]

PostPlayer, on 08 April 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

Of all the schools to pick on for not wanting expansion - it certainly would not be Arlington who year in and out boasts winning records and most recently a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP (girls) and a STATE SEMI final game (boys).

Post...have you talked to your football coach on this topic? If you do....you might want to rethink some of your posts.

[veteranlefty]

With the 19th date approaching has anyone heard what to expect from those schools presenting their case to join the BVC....is it still Hopewell Loudon, Calvert, NB and Ada among those involved. Any others?

[dw629]

veteranlefty, on 10 April 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

With the 19th date approaching has anyone heard what to expect from those schools presenting their case to join the BVC....is it still Hopewell Loudon, Calvert, NB and Ada among those involved. Any others?

Riverdale is also presenting I believe.. I think there are 5.

[falconfan84]

dw629, on 10 April 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Riverdale is also presenting I believe.. I think there are 5.

Hmm....I thought they "weren't interested"...

[polkhigh33]

I wonder sincere Ada's interest is?

[ADog]

polkhigh33, on 10 April 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

I wonder sincere Ada's interest is?

I also wonder ........being a Ada resident,I would like to see the Dogs stay in the NWC...nothing against the BVC or anything like that, it is just the long time rivals Ada has played for years would be missed. There is a good following in the NWC with good crowds for the most part. I did some figuring for when someone would state the travel etc would favor Ada joining the BVC.......average distance to BVC opponents would be 7 miles shorter than to NWC schools(This is if Hopewell Louden would also join the BVC), the average travel time to NWC opponents would be 6-7 minutes longer. Even though the BVC is closer for Ada to travel to, right now US 30 gives Ada a straight shot to several of the schools in the NWC(Delphos, Crestview, Lincolnview, Paulding, with a jaunt up Rt 127)). I would hate to lose the rivalry with Allen East, Bluffton, Columbus Grove etc. WIth that being said, I am sure new rivalries would be born in the BVC with neighboring schools such as Cory Rawson, Arlington (and Hardin Northern, but they are already on Ada schedule for all sports). Whatever happens, I know Ada fans will still support the Dogs and follow them to wherever the venue would be...

[Buckshot]

ADog - The proposal for 2 open dates in football would allow Ada the ability to continue some of those rivalies you spoke of.

[jawbreaker]

Buckshot, on 11 April 2012 - 07:09 AM, said:

ADog - The proposal for 2 open dates in football would allow Ada the ability to continue some of those rivalies you spoke of.

It may allow it but that doesn't mean Bluffton, Columbus Grove, or Allen East would and could do it.

[ADog]

jawbreaker, on 11 April 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

It may allow it but that doesn't mean Bluffton, Columbus Grove, or Allen East would and could do it.

I think you may be correct here......1 of the open dates ( I would hope) would continue to be filled by scheduling LCC as I am pretty sure the current coach would want. That would leave 1 open date and 3 damn good rivalries to choose from. Not to mention, Ada/Spencerville, Ada/Delphos Jefferson etc. over the years have delveloped into rivals of their own. Personnally I think there is more upside to Ada staying in the NWC than electing to move to the BVC. With that being said and I stated in earlier post, there would be natural rivals in the BVC and 50 years from now, people would be against losing those rivals as I am now losing the current ones. I understand" change is good", but sometimes change is not good.
Would like to hear how other fans of schools in the NWC feel about Ada considering the move? (not saying Ada is considering as I do not know )

[jawbreaker]

ADog, on 11 April 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Would like to hear how other fans of schools in the NWC feel about Ada considering the move? (not saying Ada is considering as I do not know )

I rather keep Ada and lose Paulding. That drive on a weeknight for other sports isn't enjoyable.