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[Osu4me]

maddog, on 30 March 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Reminds me alot of how our local school districts keep putting levies on the ballot after they have been shot down numerous times. Due process was done this past year when the chance to vote on this issue was given. It was defeated by a majority and should be done with. This was not good enough for some so they put a little lipstick on the pig and trot her out again this year. My hope is that the people who vote will continue to say no even though I know it will be put to a vote each year because like children, some adults can not take no for an answer.

May I ask just what do you gain by voting down the school district levy?

[rallyinthe9th]

It seems to me this will only affect a few schools. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, but it doesn't seem like it helps that much. I will never favor the tradition factor because I think it sends the wrong message. If a program follows the rules and can dominate, it should dominate. Coldwater football comes to mind. I have no problem with great coaching and community support leading to a great run. Kalida and OG will more than likely be good in basketball for a long, long time because of the community support. They get behind their boys and in turn keep turning out great teams. They have a bunch of people in the community that know success and if they have a few down years, those people will do what they can to turn it around.

[dawgbone]

labatts69, on 03 April 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

basketball- d1-whitmer, although did now win it had kid transfer in from springfield that helped them make the run. d2-dunbar, was basically an aau team, if you are going to do this then play d1. d3- summit day, private school that can pick and choose who they want and help the kids "financially" so they can get a better education. cough, cough. d4-berlin hiland, move in that helped them win back to back years as he played aau ball with buddy from team if i remember correctly and came from strasburg. These issues are all addressed with this proposal. Not all of the language is great but it would help in some aspects to the small schools who still don't pick and choose their teams.

Funny how the only school that you have no specific information on students "transferring" to the team was the private school. And you "cough cough" at the only school where no one "moved in" to "join" the team. Ironic?

[labatts69]

dawgbone, on 03 April 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

Funny how the only school that you have no specific information on students "transferring" to the team was the private school. And you "cough cough" at the only school where no one "moved in" to "join" the team. Ironic?

No unlike most on here I only state the facts. I have no knowledge of the cincy summit team other than them being chartered. I am not going to speculate that they had a kid "move in" from say a st xavier or or "join" from say cincy moeller or roger bacon as I don't know that to be true.

[labatts69]

Victorian, on 03 April 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

You were correct anyway. Kevin Johnson, the stud pg came over from I believe Witherow and the other guard came from somewhere else as well.

Well I had heard some rumblings of it at state but no hard facts since that's a little south of the border for me to follow. That is the reason I didn't bring it up in my post.

[Bobby]

OHSAA commissioner Dan Ross will be on Koza's show tomorrow. He is going to explain the new competitive balance proposal. The show starts at 5:00 on 93.1, I don't know when Dan Ross will be on.

[BIG DOG]

rallyinthe9th, on 03 April 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

It seems to me this will only affect a few schools. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, but it doesn't seem like it helps that much. I will never favor the tradition factor because I think it sends the wrong message. If a program follows the rules and can dominate, it should dominate. Coldwater football comes to mind. I have no problem with great coaching and community support leading to a great run. Kalida and OG will more than likely be good in basketball for a long, long time because of the community support. They get behind their boys and in turn keep turning out great teams. They have a bunch of people in the community that know success and if they have a few down years, those people will do what they can to turn it around.

Kalida?????

[dawgbone]

labatts69, on 03 April 2012 - 06:44 PM, said:

No unlike most on here I only state the facts. I have no knowledge of the cincy summit team other than them being chartered. I am not going to speculate that they had a kid "move in" from say a st xavier or or "join" from say cincy moeller or roger bacon as I don't know that to be true.

I commend you for stating facts and only facts.....thus the point. Open enrollment is just the public schools' way of recruiting. I just found it odd that you did the "choking" when mentioning the only school that didn't "bring someone in" just because it isn't a traditional public school.

Edited by dawgbone, 04 April 2012 - 05:59 PM.

[Dark Knight]

Deuce22, on 03 April 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

I don't mind the tradition factor and the open enrollment factors but the free lunches I don't quite understand what basis does the relate to sports? some of the best athletes in college football come from the poorest cities in Florida?

It has to do with opportunities available to kids..like getting lessons from professionals or being able to afford playing on AAU dream teams etc....according to Dan Ross's interview...

[von]

Dark Knight, on 04 April 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

It has to do with opportunities available to kids..like getting lessons from professionals or being able to afford playing on AAU dream teams etc....according to Dan Ross's interview...

This is all a bunch of bologna. If they play AAU or NJB or club volleyball, soccer, BB, SB. Why is it the state's business to make everything fair for the so-called deprived students. Parents who put their kids in these programs pay a lot of many, and they want their kids to succeed in life. Most of the worst schools and the highest drop out rate is in the inter cities. Whose fault is that? This is the new way, take from the gifted & rich and give it to the not so gifted, and poor. This is just like BHO in DC. Redistribution. Come on this is not right......

[LimaJock]

Victorian, on 04 April 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

There's a lot of kids that don't pay a dime to play on an AAU team.
I think they need to do a lot more research and come up with a better solution.

Dunbar and Taft will stay D2
LCC will stay D3

OG will go to D2
Makes no sense.....

Well, I guess OG will be welcomed back into the WBL sectional......good luck with that.

LJ

[LimaJock]

Victorian, on 04 April 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I'm certain OG will be just fine in that sectional.

Fine they will be, but only a clueless person would think the success will parallel what was done in Div 3.

LJ

[maddog]

Osu4me, on 03 April 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

May I ask just what do you gain by voting down the school district levy?

What do you gain by giving a school district every levy they ask for? This new Americam way is about making due with what you have as we certainly are not getting serious cost of living increases like days of old. I am not against schools but my point is that if it is put to a vote and the majority of the people vote no, due process was done. Do not try and find the next election to put it right back on the ballot and hope that you catch the right voter mix. Sometimes you just do not get what you want and need to move on.

[milt73]

von, on 04 April 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

This is all a bunch of bologna. If they play AAU or NJB or club volleyball, soccer, BB, SB. Why is it the state's business to make everything fair for the so-called deprived students. Parents who put their kids in these programs pay a lot of many, and they want their kids to succeed in life. Most of the worst schools and the highest drop out rate is in the inter cities. Whose fault is that? This is the new way, take from the gifted & rich and give it to the not so gifted, and poor. This is just like BHO in DC. Redistribution. Come on this is not right......

+1 to you!

They are making sports into a social issue. I always thought sports were the one thing that was 'who's the best'. Now it's trying to place teams/schools into a division where they won't be as successful to prop up other programs to make them successful. Honestly, I know a lot of parents who's kids compete in club and AAU sports in the offseason. Most of them save throughout the year and skim on other things to make it happen. They are far from 'rich people' that most want to make them out to be.

[omniscient1]

These rules are a good start, but it would help if:

1) Tall kids are not allowed to jump
2) fast kids can only take the ball to midcourt until the slow kids catch up
3) If a player has made 50% or more of his last 8 shots they can no longer shoot, unless their team is up by 5 or fewer points.
4) Play time will be limited by the cost of their shoes. Every $1 over $50 will require a player sit out for for 10 seconds. So if a kid wears $49 shoes they can play the whole game, but if their shoes cost $125 they would have to sit out 12.5 minutes of the game ($75 X 10 seconds = 750 seconds/ 60 seconds = 12.5 minutes)
5) Students with GPA's over 3.2 will be ineligible to be team captains

[dkusma96]

DSJ football:

Enrollment - 100
Boundary (assume open with limited area): +8%
Socioeconomic (assume 10): -1%
Tradition (state and regional): +16%
Total: +23% Adjusted enrollment 123

Div V 120 to 171
Div VI 119 and less


Berlin Hiland Basketball


Enrollment - 108
Boundary (assume open with limited area): +8%
Socioeconomic (assume 10): -1%
Tradition (state and regional): +16%
Total: +23% Adjusted enrollment 133


DIV III 123 to 214
DIV IV 122 and less