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[charliesheen]

bystander.....first of all....I'm not Randy....or any other coach....or a parent of a player.

I don't have establishments "bugged"...and neither does anyone else who's posted here.....you don't have to.....it's painfully obvious who the problem parents are.....they don't hide it.....and never have. Do you need a videotape (or maybe an audio recording) to prove it to you.....lol

I'm done with this thread.....have fun with it kids.....lol

[Putnam County Lady]

Just a few thoughts. If Coach Smith is so bad, where were all the head hunters a few years ago whe OG was winning???? Did she just get to be a bad coach when the talent ran out????

I think must local girls' teams all practice together 9-12.

[bball_fanatic]

When I coached Freshman ball at another WBL school-- we practiced seperate from the JV and Varsity. Jus' sayin...... But I agree with Putnam County lady---- where were all these people when OG was winning???

[Voice_of_reason]

If the girls were being taught fundamentals in JrHi their press breaks and offense would not consist of the coaches daughters dribbling up court and trying to create. Also as far as cutting, most schools do not cut at the JrHi level. I also thought that JrHi was a place to learn the game and get ready for the High School level. Whos to say those girls won't grow a few inches and become better ball players when they get to high school. Instead they don't practice because you have your managers playing and they ride the pine and think all coaches are this way so don't go out again the next few years. I'm not saying that Lori is a great coach, but I don't think if this is whats going on at the JrHi level at OG that she is getting much help. I am only commenting on what I hear and having watched Glandorf one time this year when they played in the tournament.

Edited by Voice_of_reason, 22 March 2012 - 10:54 AM.

[outsider]

Bystander 1....wrong again! Not only am I not jamie, I don't even have any kids. I just enjoy good basketball & that's what I used to see at OG until this group started to flex their muscles.

I too am done with this. I wish the entire lady titan program the best!

[The Owl]

Well, good job bystander for having the decency to come on and voice your side. You seem like a parent so I'll work on that premise.

But I think you're wrong and here's why.

...this coaching staff keeps trying to drive a wedge between the coaches and the parents.

There is no logical reason for a coach to do this unless it is their perception that their parents are "too involved". If you think that you need to take an active role in your child's development and that they need you to reach their "potential", then you are probably deluding yourself.

If you are second-guessing the coach on ANYTHING in front of your daughter you are the problem. Not the coach. If you think it makes them feel better and you are "repairing" their self-esteem by making the coach the monster and not analyzing the child's own performance or effort level, then YOU are the problem

I've got news for you, most kids will choose their parents over their coaches any day.

Well duh! That's why bashing the coach is the WORST thing you can do for your child to learn how to deal with their problems.

Are you going to go to college, hold her hand and yell at their profs if your daughter doesn't do well? Maybe their bosses when he is "too mean" to them, and damages their fragile self-esteem? I pity the man that is going to marry your precious little girl and might have the audacity to argue with her.

Especially when the coaching bad mouths the parents in front of them.

If the parents stay out of the way, don't talk about the coach and other kids, then there would be absolutely no reason for the coach to say anything about ignoring their parents.

You implicate yourself with this one.

Pay attention to the boys program and see how the parents and coaches work together. You may learn something.

No, you would. There are two boys that are seniors who are not starting now that are great kids that have worked their butts off. But you won't hear them, or their parents badmouthing the coach because they aren't starting anymore.

That's because its a TEAM game, and how the TEAM does is more important than which kid gets to play or not.

Finally, how would you like it if your neighbor videotaped you yelling or disciplining your child, then edited it and turned it into the police? No parent is perfect, and neither is any coach.

Glass houses and stones.

[bball_fanatic]

^^^^ The Owl.......... as a coach of girls basketball...... This is BY FAR the best thing I have read. Kudo's to you for taking the words right out of my mouth (minus the cuss words I am sure I would've said and I am sure it would've offended some OG parents on here since they don't like that type of talk) heehee

[Putnam County Lady]

The Owl is all knowing. Two thumbs up for that last post!!!

[Voice_of_reason]

I agree, The Owl is very wise

[slice slice baby]

the owl is wise & some'one' is not.............

[The Owl]

Most of these parents are probably great people that do a lot for the community. Their intentions are good, but their execution is misguided. They are extremely frustrated watching the girls' program struggle, and are trying to help in anyway they can.

However, coaching them from grades K-8 in CYO and jr. high PCL does not in anyway qualify them to pass judgement on the coach's ability to do her job.

There is another point that maybe should be brought up on top of all this.

OGHS is paying this coach to do her job, and its the AD's responsibility to make sure that she as well as all of the coaches are doing so. He is a good AD, so let him do his job. If there is a problem from the POV of a parent, there is nothing wrong with going to the AD and expressing your concern. If he chooses not to take action, that's his decision. If excessively harsh treatment occurs, its his job to deal with the coach and attempt to adjust that behavior.

In this case, I think the parents were disatisfied and went over his head to the Superintendent. That to me crosses the line and is effectively questioning the AD's judgement and the ability to do HIS job.

Hopefully the Superintendent will support his AD and allow him to do his job. OG sports are very good across the board, and compete very well in the WBL despite being one of the smaller schools. The AD has had a hand in this success, and doesn't deserve people questioning HIS competency in evaluating his coaches.

If the AD is satisfied that this coach is doing her job in a competent manner, its a dangerous precedent to allow a group of parents to manipulate the Superintendent to undercut his AD and run a coach out because they "don't agree with her style".

[Goin2goal]

The Owl, on 22 March 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

Most of these parents are probably great people that do a lot for the community. Their intentions are good, but their execution is misguided. They are extremely frustrated watching the girls' program struggle, and are trying to help in anyway they can.

However, coaching them from grades K-8 in CYO and jr. high PCL does not in anyway qualify them to pass judgement on the coach's ability to do her job.

There is another point that maybe should be brought up on top of all this.

OGHS is paying this coach to do her job, and its the AD's responsibility to make sure that she as well as all of the coaches are doing so. He is a good AD, so let him do his job. If there is a problem from the POV of a parent, there is nothing wrong with going to the AD and expressing your concern. If he chooses not to take action, that's his decision. If excessively harsh treatment occurs, its his job to deal with the coach and attempt to adjust that behavior.

In this case, I think the parents were disatisfied and went over his head to the Superintendent. That to me crosses the line and is effectively questioning the AD's judgement and the ability to do HIS job.

Hopefully the Superintendent will support his AD and allow him to do his job. OG sports are very good across the board, and compete very well in the WBL despite being one of the smaller schools. The AD has had a hand in this success, and doesn't deserve people questioning HIS competency in evaluating his coaches.

If the AD is satisfied that this coach is doing her job in a competent manner, its a dangerous precedent to allow a group of parents to manipulate the Superintendent to undercut his AD and run a coach out because they "don't agree with her style".

Correction on this quote....OG has been THE smallest school in the WBL for better than 8yrs now.

Owl your past two post have been top notch! Very true. As a friend of an OG coach I can vouch for most of what you said. As for the AD you again are correct. He will confront the coach if/when there are any problems.

Coaches should coach and parents should cheer and support the program and kids. To hear that parents are trying to run a coach or coaches out is embarrassing to our great school district. I know one school board member will stand behind Coach S.

The problem with this board is ANYONE can come on here and spew crap about someone and hide behind their screen name. If that is you (Landess and anyone else) why not sack up and leave your real name!

[winit4me]

Sounds like someone has an ax to grind with the coach. Everyone is happy with a winning team but when teams are losing everyone wants to fire the coach. The Owl is very WISE!! Nice post Goin2goal!!

Edited by winit4me, 23 March 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[milt73]

Every coach I know, if they have parents/fans that are being loud and obnoxious, they tell them not not listen to them. Coaches often talk about Team and that anything that seperates the team, is a negative thing. There is no way telling a player negative things about their coach, is positive for anyone. Period.

Here is what I'm saying, if it's so bad? What's keeping you there? Why are you playing for a coach who is so bad at what she does? IF the coach was back the next season, would your daughter be going out for the team?

Someone posted, some of these parents are on their 2nd or 3rd go around with the coach. If it was always this bad, why didn't they have a problem earlier? If it was always this bad, why would you let your daughter play for them again? If you know what you're getting into, how can you possibly complain about it? You live in the community and knkow who the coach is and how she coaches. If you people are so high and mighty about moral things such as cursing, why would you let your daughter be apart of something like that?

If it's something that has been a problem and you don't want your daughter to play for such a horrible coach/person, Landess, soccer, bysttander, etc. I think you guys failed as parents far before the season started.

[winit4me]

Landess is a coach!!

[charliesheen]

Landess, on 22 March 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

If they are running the press break wrong why is the HS coach not correcting it?

Last time I checked, very few HS coaches had time to go to junior high practices....let alone run the practice to put in the stuff they want. That's up to the junior high coaches. In OG, I'm not sure the HS coach has any say in who coaches the junior highs....either boys or girls. That decision is up to the principals at the respective elementary schools. Most times, if they get someone who says they'll do it...they have the job. Whether or not you're qualified isn't necessarily part of the decision. Don't get me wrong....they have had some good coaches in the past...both boys and girls....but they've also had some who were doing because nobody else wanted it.

[Dark Knight]

For the OG coach to go to the Junior High practices would be impossible----she/he would have to go to 3 different schools as they have 3 different junior high school buildings.

[flounder]

Landess, on 23 March 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

If someone has evidence that the coach has done something illegal then she should be fired. If they have no evidence of that then she should be evaluated by the team performance. Parents opinions of a coach should not be factored in. I just have a problem with people dismissing other people's thoughts.

How am I hiding behind my Name lol??? My name on here is my real name lol

Good reply there coach!!!!!!