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[Goin2goal]

flounder, on 17 March 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Actually Landess, I don't think they would....believe me, when I say that happens in some schools.....trouble today is what is going on in the good ol USA......we are becoming a nation of "wussies'.......no one wants to be held accountable and it's always someone else's fault........come on America....let's toughen up and get our pride back.....it's going to be tough when we as a country put clowns in office who are way to liberal......anybody got a hand out for me....sheeeeesh.....other than that, I am enjoying life.....I still have my freedom!!!!!

Well put flounder. Meddling parents is too bad. IF coach smith did indeed step down, what a loss for the OG community!

[Ihatesoccer]

bennyg, on 16 March 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

Yes it did. She wants to stay, but some of the parents (mostly freshman) want her gone. They don't like the way she disiplines their girls apparently. A coach is supposed to disipline the players in order to gain their respect and build their character. With the parents constantly coaching their daughters from the bleachers and at home, Lori doesn't stand a chance of gaining any form of respect from the girls. What's going to happen when these girls get out into the real world and get stuck in a job with a boss they don't like? Are mommy and daddy going to complain to the company CEO and get the manager fired in order for their kids to get a boss they like better? I don't think so. If they go on to play college ball are the parents going to try to run that coach out too if their daughter sits the bench? It's high school basketball. Lori dedicates her heart and time to that program and doesn't expect a single thank you in return. All she asks is that the girls play and try their hardest. Parent's have been complaining about her for years and it still amazes me. I don't see Greg Mauk losing his job for the way he disiplines and treats his players. Those Bath girls are VERY disiplined, which explains why they do so well every year. Tyson McGlaughlin is still at OG as well. His boys got beat by 20 at the beginning of the season and he took away their practice jerseys and locked up the locker room. They played shirts and skins and changed in the bathrooms until they proved themselves worthy of playing Titan basketball. He yells and screams at the boys. Where are the complaints about him? Oh wait that's right, girls are too delicate to be yelled at and disiplined. Toughen up, life only gets harder as you get older. These girls need a coach like Lori. In my opinion I think these four parents are pretty full of themselves already , hope they're happy with whatever the decision is going to be. Karma karma karma...

hsbball419, on 16 March 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

I personally played under Smith for 4 years. She is passionate about what she does. Being a coach is a thankless job and Lori does it with pride. I can honestly say I left OGHS with a chunk of my butt on that court with how many times she chewed me out for stupid mistakes. I would go home and whine to my parents about she yelled at me for this and that and always told me that if she didn't care she wouldn't be yelling. Listen to what she is saying, not how she is saying it. I've been in the locker room behind the scenes, I've been to the practices where she makes us run out butts off. I've heard what was said and have seen what has been done. She does these things out of pure passion. Name a single coach in college that's not going to let some language slip in the heat of the moment, throw down a clip board, or stomp a foot..and these parents who think their daughters are all stars going D1? GOOD LUCK!.. Lori has played the game, she knows what she is talking about and I truely believe that she is responsible for her actions, but the parents need to butt out and deal with it. That woman made me a better player & pushed me to be a college athlete. Belive me when I say, you'll miss her as a coach one day...



You would be utterly surprised at the number of girls who played for her that STILL talk about how great the experience was with her as a coach, she was so much more than that...these newbies just need to grow up and deal with it, shut up and play, or get off the court.

hsbball419, on 16 March 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

You're trying to say having a team of predominately freshman and sophomores and having seven wins are not successful results? They're freshmen, they aren't set in any positions yet (trust it from someone who went from a point guard to a post to a shooting guard in different levels of basketball play up and all the way through college) You personally may think "susie" should be a point guard when in all reality she could be a really good shooter or a post. All positions are interchangable, a really good player can play any position on the court...is that not correct? And honestly, I don't expect her to get results with a group like she had. Mom and Dad are telling them not to listen to her, so what makes anyone think shes going to listen to Lori's plans for the game? Maybe if they turn off the eyes to the bleachers on every play they could get more acomplished.

Luvu2, on 17 March 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

well now I've heard it all. last night it was told that one of the parents has made some sort of a power point presentation that was viewed by the superintendent? and that he said that he will take this to the school board? here I thought all year when they were filming games that they were doing this to show colleges what type of player they were. seems to find out that they were filming the coach during the games to see what she was doing wrong. this seems crazy to me but I heard it from someone who actually viewed this power point thing. I don't have any idea why the coach would even want to stay with all the "support" she's getting from these parents. pitiful

flounder, on 17 March 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Not a OG fan, but from what I have just read, their fans(parents) are very similar to fans(parents) everywhere....it's all about their little (Susie)....omg people.......grow up...your daughter is not good enough to go D1....this is high school, and these girls need discipline if they are going to grow.........my god, if I was Coach Smith, I wouldn't give those parents the opportunity to fire me.....I would resign and move on.....believe me, from what I have seen of Smith, she will get hired by someone......someone who is appreciative.....please parents...read the posts above from players who have played for her......they cannot all be wrong.....and what a bunch of bs filming the coach....downright pathetic, and not a real good image to portray for the OG community!!!!!

Parents who think their children are better than they are, are becoming the norm in high school athletics.......it is killing high school sports....it is no wonder the good coaches are not sticking around.....cannot blame them!!!

hsbball419, on 17 March 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Filming the coach in order to create a powerpoint presentation for the school board? THAT IS PATHETIC! I hope Lori resigns herself, these parents are acting so juvenile about everything. I don't care what anyone says about Lori, I will never have anything bad to say about that woman.



Why do you keep commenting on how innappropriate she is acting? I have to ask, were you in the locker room or do you know someone who wants her job?....pathetic

hsbball419, on 17 March 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

If they really want to make a powerpoint why don't they put the good points of those videos on there too. How about when she was consoling a nervous crying freshman on the bench against St.Mary's? This certain freshman went into the game nervous and made a few mistakes. Lori pulled her out and she began crying on the bench. Lori turned around and had nothing but positive things to say to her like "You're doing fine you just need to relax" and telling her what she needs to do, correcting her mistakes to make her a better player. Don't sit here and say how horrible of a coach she is when all these parents really want is her job. Everyone else knows the capability these girls are going to have once they mature a year or so. All these wannabe coaches care about is stepping in to take the credit for it and eventually the well will run dry again and another coach will get run out. Same story different day. Lori is a tremendous person with nothing but a caring and compassionate personality. She loves the game and is passionate about what she does.

flounder, on 17 March 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

I am assuming she is a good coach because I know what today's parents are like......it started about 15 years ago and has gotten progressively worse to the point where it is ruining high school athletics.....it actually sickens me to watch these parents make fools of themselves.....many times I have seen players look into the stands at their parents hoping they have won their approval.....that isn't what high sports is meant to be!!!!

flounder, on 17 March 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Actually Landess, I don't think they would....believe me, when I say that happens in some schools.....trouble today is what is going on in the good ol USA......we are becoming a nation of "wussies'.......no one wants to be held accountable and it's always someone else's fault........come on America....let's toughen up and get our pride back.....it's going to be tough when we as a country put clowns in office who are way to liberal......anybody got a hand out for me....sheeeeesh.....other than that, I am enjoying life.....I still have my freedom!!!!!

Goin2goal, on 18 March 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Well put flounder. Meddling parents is too bad. IF coach smith did indeed step down, what a loss for the OG community!

WELL IT LOOKS TO ME THE ONLY PEOPLE ON HEAR BITCHING AND COMPLAINING ARE COACHES FRIENDS AND FAMILY TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE ELSE LOOK BAD!!!


you people dont know the real story and all the facts.

[Voice_of_reason]

All I will say is I don't know the coach and don't know her actions. Regardless of how she acted, the parents who filmed her and then made a powerpoint trumped anything she has done. That could be the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. Those parents need to get a life. What are they teaching their kids. Act like a complete idiot to get what you want. Regardless if she is the worst coach in all of sports this is just plain stupid. Besides I have watched some of the JrHi teams from OG. They have talent but no fundamentals. That works in JrHi but when everyone grows up, the same teams rise to the top. I.E. Ottoville, Bath

[milt73]

Did she beat a kid or slap a kid? Because if it's just a little language, please. Every level of team sports I've ever played had a coach who used 4 or 5 letter words, some a lot more than others. If these kids are indeed good enough to play at the next level, wait til they get there. They will have a rude awakening. Complaining because suzie isn't starting at the point? Or because coach said a bad word? Oh my goodness.

Honestly, if I was Al, I'd be telling these parents to get a grip, pipe down and enjoy the ride. Or get the F out! Let them quit or transfer because one thing that I do know, OG will still be there when those kids graduate. Hate to say it, but none of those freshman are going to have their names or pictures plaqued on the wall.

Edited by milt73, 19 March 2012 - 12:07 PM.

[Mysterio]

My thoughts are pretty simple. Some programs go through a stage with a lot of success for 5-10 years and then go through a rough stage for a short period of time or sometimes longer. Such as O-G for instance. They had some pretty successful years and now they are going through a rough stage. It happens, you look at some of these schools that are good now and pay attention in about 3-4 years and see how they are. I think O-G has a good coach, I don't know her personally but I have not heard of anything bad about her. What people don't realize that it's not always the kids fault, the parents fault, or even the coach's fault.. Sometimes the talent is just not there. No matter how much you practice, how much time you put in or who the coach is. There is what you call team chemistry and the will to get better. Perhaps O-G girls just does not have that at this moment. Sometimes there is just no answers and this topic just may not have the answer for the one who started this topic.

[Voice_of_reason]

Landess must have been the videographer

[Falcon86]

milt73, on 14 March 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

W's in Jr High doesn't mean W's at the JV Level. W's at the JV level, doesn't mean W's at the Varsity level. Things just don't translate sometimes. If the coach is playing mostly younger kids, they are going to take their lumps no matter how athletically gifted they are. Hopefully, taking lumps while the kids are younger will translate into giving lumps later. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

I'm always a little discouraged when parents run a coach out. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, but it rarely is. To barrow and cut a phrase, they are usually looking through 'green' colored glasses. Most parents that do this, want Coach K or Tom Izzo to walk through that door to be their next coach. They usually end up with some 24 or 25 year old kid with very little experience get the job. Only to realize that 'man, that coach last year wasn't that bad.'

This whole situation sounds eerily similar to the Van Buren situation back in 2005 thru 2010. There was a group of parents that thought they had a Jr. high team that was going to win 4 straight state championships. A number of the parents thought that the coach that was in place at the time could not get the job done. The parents would sit in practices, make weekly visits to the AD and superintendent, and make phone calls to the coach at night to tell him how to run his team. The coach tried to make everyone happy and ended up with a mess on his hands. He couldn't hack it! The program has seen multiple coaches over the last 7-8 years. Today, the Van Buren girls basketball program is among the dregs of the BVC - I think they won 1 BVC game this year and there is not a lot of talent in the junior high program. A lot of this can be blamed on 1 group of parents that thought they had it all figured out.

I counseled a mother of one of the players who explained to me that is was so bad that her daughter hated going to practices and games. That player transferred to a neighboring school district and conference foe and helped lead that team to a state championship her senior year. I witnessed Van Buren parents (35-50 years old) spew their venom toward that girl (17/18 years old) at the game that took place at Van Buren that season. It amazed me - who could blame someone for wanting to get away from it. I couldn't believe the things they said to her from the bleachers while she played. If they were willing to say those things in public, imagine what they were saying about their coaches behind closed doors. Morale of the story, this player won a state championship with a team that accepted her for what she is. She is still widely accepted in the community she moved to. Her family continue to support the new school district sports.

I am sure she is still hated at Van Buren, but I am sure she is much happier for the decision she made.

I guess the moral of this story is that the OG parents should think long and hard before forcing a coach out.

As for the video taping the coach - I think most coaches say and do things in the heat of the battle. I have watched Seth Newlove and his antics for years and I don't hear of many parents complaining about it. He is taking talent and winning a state championship. The OG parents want to run out a good coach and replace it with a coach that will take 2-3 years to get the program where they want it to be (if they can find a good coach that wants to handle the parents) and then another 2-3 years to start producing quality - sounds like their kids will be long gone from OG by that time.

As quoted from a famous American, Earl Pitts, "Wake up America!"

[Rocketman]

Falcon,
I completely forgot about the VB fiasco of a few years ago but some of your story leads me to wonder a bit ........it was the parents
that forced that situation and I think that the "transfer" student had just a little more in this than what was portrayed........

however,
it definitely was parental control and it is exactly what is happening over in Ottawa..........whatever the outcome, there will be some
that decry the decision...........

[bball_fanatic]

Heard a rumor that another WBL girls coach is on the "out's". That one is not a shame......... but if OG coach is forced out- that is a real shame. She is a good, dedicated coach who cares about the kids.

[NDLOVER]

This sounds like the thread at PG where Brooks was ousted. Who would have thought that little old Putnam County School administrations would bow down to a few parents?? Things are really messed up!!

[hsbball419]

Voice_of_reason, on 19 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Landess must have been the videographer

Haha that or Ihatesoccer...just wish i knew who it was exactly

[The Owl]

Ihatesoccer, on 19 March 2012 - 10:25 AM, said:

WELL IT LOOKS TO ME THE ONLY PEOPLE ON HEAR BITCHING AND COMPLAINING ARE COACHES FRIENDS AND FAMILY TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE ELSE LOOK BAD!!!


you people dont know the real story and all the facts.

Do please share then.

If it's worth firing a person over, then its worth telling the public.

If you are so sure that she should be gotten rid of, then lets hear why.

[outsider]

I have never posted on this site and probably never will again, but I have been reading this thread since it started and am really getting sick of it. Whether Coach Smith stays or goes is not the point anymore. Personally, I think she would be crazy to continue to subject herself to the constant bashing by the so called "posse" and the disrespect their daughters show. Part of the "posse" parents have been the Jr High coaches and some continue to be as their younger daughters come through the jr high ranks. They have been asked repeatedly by the high school coaches to teach fundamental skills in Jr High and have repeatedly ignored this request. Yes they win, but it is because the girls are more developed and quicker at that age and can get steals for lay ups. If you have gone to any hs games, all of the young girls dribble right up the sideline instead of getting the ball to the middle. I was not at all surprised when I made my first visit to a Glandorf game, to see these girls do the same thing, head down right up the sideline. First of all, head up and 2nd get the ball to the middle. This is just one small example. Also, jr high girls that are viewed as less talented by these coaches are sitting out and watching one coach's daughter in a younger grade play in practice. This happened when the current jrs and seniors were there too and everyone wonders why they may not have developed. I am not saying this is the only reason they didn't develop, but who knows if they were given a chance what might have happened. The former coach at SPPS also ignored requests to teach fundementals and now is part of the posse. In fact , sources tell me that these coaches were heard when these girls were 6th graders at a local establishment trying to rally support of other 6th grade parents to fire Lori then. So, this has been building for several years because this crew has always coached their sweet little perfect division one athletes and they don't want anyone else to do it. In fact, the anonymous videographer is said to be one of these coaches and the power point editor is another!! How's that for support of a program at the younger levels. You wonder what has happened to Lady Titan Basketball, ask the esteemed Jr High coaches and their wives and puppet friends who also have daughters on the team!! I truly feel sorry for these girls. How can they be expected to perform when their parents have them in tears after the games rehashing every mistake they make. The 1 game I attended part of the "posse" had his JV daughter bawling in between games. The team won, but she didn't shoot enough and had too many turnovers! I heard him while I was waiting on popcorn! From what I hear these same people are taking aim on the OG volleyball program next followed by soccer. A friend of mine is associated with the volleyball program and said that a few of these same "posse" members repeatedly approached the coach last season about their daughters' playing time and status on the varsity, jv, or freshman team. Then last week I heard from a "posse" member that the OG soccer coach is next! Get a life people!
I recall several years ago, a group of baseball parents causing a similar stink(minus the power point presentation). The coach resigned in response. Now, a good number of parents are very dissatisfied with the current coaches. My point is, be careful what you wish for. It may smack you in the face later!!

[blufftonpirates]

[Luvu2]

can somebody tell us when the next school board meeting is scheduled?
has that posse everyone talks about planning on staging an "occupy og?"
do they have a coach in mind that would meet their approval?
where is the AD in all this conversation?

[bennyg]

Landess, on 20 March 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

HSBBALL419, what would you do if you knew?

If your at the basketball game you should know. We see her up there taping.