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[veteranlefty]

MAL administrators met yesterday....any details of that meeting? I wonder if they told everyone to look out for themselves or if they actually have some sort of plan?

[polkhigh33]

^{I can't imagine anything has changed. SMCC not joining could have come at no surprise. Unless they have something up their sleeve that no one else knows about, it's every man for it's self and has been like that for some time.
I'm under the impression that Calvert, H-L and NB have all responded positively to the BVC letter of interest.}

[cropduster]

Polk you think Calvert is a done deal to the BVC , I hope not!!

[polkhigh33]

cropduster, on 14 March 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Polk you think Calvert is a done deal to the BVC , I hope not!!

Not at all....long shot as far as I am concerned and I've said that from the beginning.

[bambino]

March 16th is the deadline for interest in the BVC and next Wed is the meeting. H-L and Riverdale Have replied yes they are interested don't know about the others other than Carey said NO which I think was a mistake on their part.

[oberhaus]

bambino, on 14 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

March 16th is the deadline for interest in the BVC and next Wed is the meeting. H-L and Riverdale Have replied yes they are interested don't know about the others other than Carey said NO which I think was a mistake on their part.

Why is it a mistake by Carey? They have past relationships with NCC and are going to renew those. Plus their new league they would be playing each school instead of only most of them. Im actually not sure why the BVC would want to expand other then HN and Vanlues numbers issue.

[polkhigh33]

oberhaus, on 14 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Why is it a mistake by Carey? They have past relationships with NCC and are going to renew those. Plus their new league they would be playing each school instead of only most of them. Im actually not sure why the BVC would want to expand other then HN and Vanlues numbers issue.

That's why I think they'll expand by just two schools if they do at all.

[falconfan84]

oberhaus, on 14 March 2012 - 02:46 PM, said:

Why is it a mistake by Carey? They have past relationships with NCC and are going to renew those. Plus their new league they would be playing each school instead of only most of them. Im actually not sure why the BVC would want to expand other then HN and Vanlues numbers issue.

The BVC schools are probably closer than some of the N10 teams.

The Courier gives BVC schools better coverage than outside leagues.

Even if they only played "most of the BVC", they would still get decent exposure to non-conference competition in sports other than football (with the BVC, as compared to the N10). It is my understanding that the N10 is planning on playing a home-and-home schedule for most sports. In a 10-team league, that's 18 conference games! It might make the AD's job a lot easier to do it that way, but I don't think it's a good idea to keep your teams so isolated. Outside exposure gives the conference an idea of how good they really are. Who wants to go 20-0 in a weak league and lose their first of second tournament game? If you always have tough non-league competition every year, it won't matter if your conference is having a down year.

Don't get me wrong. I think the N10 will be a good league for both Carey and Riverdale...but the "home-and-home" thing is probably the worst aspect of it (from a competitive point of view). Travel isn't the greatest, but for Riverdale, it is still better than the current NCC.

Riverdale's district actually borders Findlay, but as long as Riverdale is in the NCC or the N10, they are considered "outsiders" because the BVC is basically King in these parts when it comes to placement or substance in the sports pages. At least Carey has their own weekly newspaper...they could write as much as they want about themselves.

Edited by falconfan84, 16 March 2012 - 10:25 PM.

[oberhaus]

Newspaper coverage probably has 0% to do with league choice. Thats asinine. And I highly doubt that the N10, if 10 teams, plays RR in bball even with schedules expanding to 22 games.

[falconfan84]

oberhaus, on 14 March 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Newspaper coverage probably has 0% to do with league choice. Thats asinine. And I highly doubt that the N10, if 10 teams, plays RR in bball even with schedules expanding to 22 games.

Go ahead and doubt, but home-and-away was what was printed in the school newsletter for basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. as the format of the N10.

Sure the coverage isn't a reason to choose a league, but it would be a bonus for either Carey or Riverdale. The articles for BVC teams can be twice as big, plus on the front page of the Courier's sports page. When you have to search on page 3 or 4 to find a paragraph about the game, it hardly makes the subscription worth it. When the press votes on all-district teams, the couriers' voter(s) may not be as familiar with our kids since they don't cover as many of our games.

Maybe I shouldn't be so hard on the Courier, but I'm not exaggerating on the write-ups...ESPECIALLY in football...unless we are having a good season (about once every decade).

How's this for a reason to join, then?...
When Riverdale borders Hardin Northern, Arlington, and Vanlue (plus Carey if they joined), wouldn't THAT be a reason to join? Carey borders Vanlue, and is close to others. Travel would be a HUGE plus for us (and I would imagine Carey as well (when compared to the N10 for them). Not only does travel save money (and time for the kids on a school night), it almost guarantees better gates. In home games versus BVC schools, Riverdale almost always has a better visiting crowd than from our own conference. But that's not too surprising when the closest opponent (until Upper joined this year) is 35 miles away. Try talking a few more Lucas residents into driving 72 miles from their school to watch their team play...were talking maybe 15 fans for a basketball game...fewer yet for volleyball on a school night. Can't make much money from your sports that way. We'd see huge gains in ticket sales in the BVC...plus I really believe we'd bring a better than average crowd to those games (especially compared to a HN, Vanlue, Arcadia, C-R).

Edited by falconfan84, 14 March 2012 - 10:08 PM.

[oberhaus]

Please refresh my memory as to when I said anything about Riverdale. Even the original post I responded to was about Carey.

I think Riverdale joining BVC is a no brainer. I was just asking why Carey NOT joining BVC was a mistake?

[davidson33]

polkhigh33, on 14 March 2012 - 03:27 PM, said:

That's why I think they'll expand by just two schools if they do at all.

Respectfully disagree. But you never know, that could happen. To me, that is MUCH more likely to happen if Riverdale doesn't come. No one expected Carey to switch. Or Mohawk. Or some of these other schools. If Riverdale doesn't come, it will be interesting to see which of the D5 schools would be a good fit besides Hopewell.

Also disagree on the "long shot" comment. Just from what I have heard. Doesn't mean that Calvert is a "lock" at all. No one is. But then, there isn't even an interview list yet, so everyone is putting the cart before the horse here anyway.

Not sure why cropduster is against a Calvert entry (maybe travel distance?) but I know you have said the "Catholic" thing might be an issue. Just letting you know that I haven't heard that anywhere from BVC people.

I totally expect 4 teams in, especially if Riverdale pulls the trigger.

Edited by davidson33, 14 March 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[falconfan84]

oberhaus, on 14 March 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Please refresh my memory as to when I said anything about Riverdale. Even the original post I responded to was about Carey.

I think Riverdale joining BVC is a no brainer. I was just asking why Carey NOT joining BVC was a mistake?

I know that you never mentioned Riverdale.

I include Riverdale ALONG with Carey because we have been backyard rivals for YEARS. We used to be league rivals until they left for the MAL. We will reunite as league rivals in the N10...BUT if Riverdale would join the BVC, having Carey join us could bring them back as a league rival again. I think that sticking with Riverdale could be advantageous to Carey. Many of the same reasons that Riverdale should join the BVC apply to Carey also. That's why I mentioned Riverdale.

[polkhigh33]

davidson33, on 14 March 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Respectfully disagree. But you never know, that could happen. To me, that is MUCH more likely to happen if Riverdale doesn't come. No one expected Carey to switch. Or Mohawk. Or some of these other schools. If Riverdale doesn't come, it will be interesting to see which of the D5 schools would be a good fit besides Hopewell.

Also disagree on the "long shot" comment. Just from what I have heard. Doesn't mean that Calvert is a "lock" at all. No one is. But then, there isn't even an interview list yet, so everyone is putting the cart before the horse here anyway.

Not sure why cropduster is against a Calvert entry (maybe travel distance?) but I know you have said the "Catholic" thing might be an issue. Just letting you know that I haven't heard that anywhere from BVC people.

I totally expect 4 teams in, especially if Riverdale pulls the trigger.

I'd think Calvert would have some support from Liberty-Benton, McComb and Van Buren. Each of those three have been consistent schedulers of Calvert over the last 10 years or so. I don't know about Leipsic, P-G and C-R. There isn't any history there and it's a fair distance travel wise.

[bob22]

Calvert and Cory-Rawson scrimmaged in football for a number of years

[Coach_B]

Polk,

As much as I love you man, there's no way Calvert gets a sniff of the BVC. Too fringe, too Catholic. There's a better chance of a meteor crashing through the school than getting into the BVC/
I don't think expansion will end up happening anyway.
Too many closer candidates like Hopewell-Loudon, RIverdale and North Baltimore. My personal picks for expansion would have been Riverdale, NB, Carey and Hopewell-Loudon. But for my own selfish reasons for my job.

[oberhaus]

H-L is what? 6 miles closer than Calvert?

[Hound Dog]

Coach_B, on 16 March 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Polk,

As much as I love you man, there's no way Calvert gets a sniff of the BVC. Too fringe, too Catholic. There's a better chance of a meteor crashing through the school than getting into the BVC/

In today's climate of state funding getting sent to private schools...I feel that there will be many Catholic and other Private Christian Academies getting left behind in the "League Settings" of today. I don't blame the leagues for keeping them out or not inviting them to be a part of their league.

What the NWC to did to LCC is just a start in my opinion of Private schools eventually having their own tournaments...etc.