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[The Owl]

milt73, on 09 March 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

And there is the problem. If a kid comes home from practice and all they hear is "coach is a POS, she doesn't know what she's doing, she yells too much, you should be playing more, she doesn't yell enough, why is little janie playing" and on and on. Parents should be there for support not to coach. And there is a difference between supporting and making comments. If negativity is being sewn at home, it is wrong and the parent shouldn't do it. If they really want to be a coach, they should put their name in, or atleast help out with the younger ages.

Perspective is a good thing. Freshman and sophomores are going to get better as they grow and mature.

This post should be stickied here, copied, and passed out to every parent of every HS paricipant in every sport.

+ 10000000000000000000000000000000

[bennyg]

Ihatesoccer, on 09 March 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

in all Div 1 2 3 alot more than 10 Bingley girls Dana Kaufman Jenn Rossilit - Tiffan Halker -Siena Carmen Ellis alot more in 80 s and 90 's cant remember names right now?? Verhoff Mandy McGlaughlin Deb Bellman Michelle Bochrath Morman

College Basketball


Sandy Buddlemeyer ---- Capital D3

Melanie Halker ----Siena D1

Stacy Verhoff ---- Central Michigan D1

Shelly Bellman----Cincinnat D1

Mandy White ---- Defiance D3

Haley Ducey ---- Urbana D2

Kristin Bingley----Wilmington D3

Kim Bingley ----Defiance D3

Dana Kaufman ----Heidelberg D3

[Dark Knight]

There could be a couple of reasons for the situation at OG:
OG is used to success so when a particular sport does not produce wins, the fan base gets a little testy.

Extremely difficult to keep a high caliber of performance in a smaller school- only so many kids to choose from and you eventually go through lean years.

The girls are focusing on other sports, and putting basketball 2nd or 3rd on the list of favorite sport.

Different personality of kids today that need a creative way to instruct.

[charliesheen]

I'm hearing there's a meeting tomorrow morning with returning players and Coach Smith. Sounds like some kind of decision is coming fairly soon. Sounds like the pressure from some disgruntled parents is beginning to take it's toll. Sad that parents who've been complaining about her since their kids were in 6th grade can run out a coach who's had quite a bit of success. I hope they're happy. It's tough to get a coach to step into a situation where the last coach gets run out by the parents of returning kids. Who would want to take on that kind of mess????

Edited by charliesheen, 13 March 2012 - 08:53 PM.

[Maltese Falcon]

Charlie Sheen is correct, hopefully Coach Smith sticks with it. She is a good coach and very dedicated to the OG program..No way OG gets anyone near her level of dedication and knowledge to take over.

[Rocketman]

charliesheen, on 13 March 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Who would want to take on that kind of mess????

There have been grumblings in the past few years, just like at many schools throughout the state............like you've said there seems to be a group of parents
who believe that "Susie's" should have had a better record, played more, run a different offense, defense, etc..........who was the coach before Smith? was he/she
also run out?..........you really don't hear of OG girls basketball like you do the boys though they did have a nice run through '08..........

Parents always seem to think their "Susie"is way better talented than the next kid..........they invest their time and money in all that summer ball and want to see
instant results........if Coach Smith does decide to get out, I would hope she would consider the PG district.........you know we do need a coach, right?........RM

[Ihatesoccer]

Maltese Falcon, on 13 March 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Charlie Sheen is correct, hopefully Coach Smith sticks with it. She is a good coach and very dedicated to the OG program..No way OG gets anyone near her level of dedication and knowledge to take over.

FALCON

I thought you knew basketball ????

Hope you fly over to PG with her!!!

[Ihatesoccer]

Landess, on 13 March 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Get your grammar straight. Ask her what she called the girls during the LCC game.

your right Landess you know more than that also ?

[The Owl]

Landess, on 13 March 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Get your grammar straight. Ask her what she called the girls during the LCC game.

Coaches frequently call out their team when they play poorly, and usually preface any insult
with "you guys are playing like _______ ". If the shoe fits....

I'm not saying that coaches should swear or insult their athletes, but there is a time when its addressed at the group when it is used as a wake-up call.

Now if Susie is hearing Mommy and Daddy running down the coach at every opportunity, and can find another reason to blame the coach for why Susie isn't playing instead of actually considering that she just isn't that great - then it stands to reason that Susie will race home to report anything she can so that she can escape the reality of her own ability level and the crushing disappointment that will generate for her overzealous parents.

When girls go from dominating 8th grade Putnam County teams to getting blasted by Lima Bath 12th graders, its easier to blame the coach then to accept that their daughter has a tremendous amount of work to do before they will be able to be compete with, much less beat the best teams in the area.

Edited by The Owl, 14 March 2012 - 10:07 AM.

[charliesheen]

The Owl, on 14 March 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

When girls go from dominating 8th grade Putnam County teams to getting blasted by Lima Bath 12th graders, its easier to blame the coach then to accept that their daughter has a tremendous amount of work to do before they will be able to be compete with, much less beat the best teams in the area.

Best post on this entire thread......why people don't realize that is beyond me. OG's freshmen boys would have gotten pounded if you'd have played 3 or 4 of them at a time in varsity games....even with a 6'6 kid playing center. The young girls were just overmatched in most games. To me 7 wins playing mostly 9th and 10th graders is about as much as you could realistically expect.

[Common Sense]

charliesheen, on 14 March 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Best post on this entire thread......why people don't realize that is beyond me. OG's freshmen boys would have gotten pounded if you'd have played 3 or 4 of them at a time in varsity games....even with a 6'6 kid playing center. The young girls were just overmatched in most games. To me 7 wins playing mostly 9th and 10th graders is about as much as you could realistically expect.

I guess the next question is how does a program like OG have mostly 9th and 10 graders playing? As I figure it, OG should have 15 starters (3 middle schools) moving into the high school every year (plus a few subs from each school). What happened to those seniors and juniors from the current classes?
I can see some of the small D4 schools with some lean years for numbers, but you'd think with at least 20 girls per class coming in as freshman, it would be very competitive and you'd end up with some really good players.

[Luvu2]

charliesheen, on 13 March 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

I'm hearing there's a meeting tomorrow morning with returning players and Coach Smith. Sounds like some kind of decision is coming fairly soon. Sounds like the pressure from some disgruntled parents is beginning to take it's toll. Sad that parents who've been complaining about her since their kids were in 6th grade can run out a coach who's had quite a bit of success. I hope they're happy. It's tough to get a coach to step into a situation where the last coach gets run out by the parents of returning kids. Who would want to take on that kind of mess????

first post and hopefully my last. I have always been one to stick up for the current coach and hope that if she does decide to hang up the whistle that she does it on her terms. she hates to lose, really hates to lose, and it shows in the way she approaches the game. when you've seen this team play this past year you can watch the player's eyes as they search out approving nods from their mothers and fathers sitting in the stands. it would be tough to coach this group knowing that as soon as they get in the car on the way back home that the conversations start. it's a sad commentary, very sad.

The Owl, on 14 March 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

Now if Susie is hearing Mommy and Daddy running down the coach at every opportunity, and can find another reason to blame the coach for why Susie isn't playing instead of actually considering that she just isn't that great - then it stands to reason that Susie will race home to report anything she can so that she can escape the reality of her own ability level and the crushing disappointment that will generate for her overzealous parents.

Common Sense, on 14 March 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

I guess the next question is how does a program like OG have mostly 9th and 10 graders playing? As I figure it, OG should have 15 starters (3 middle schools) moving into the high school every year (plus a few subs from each school). What happened to those seniors and juniors from the current classes?
I can see some of the small D4 schools with some lean years for numbers, but you'd think with at least 20 girls per class coming in as freshman, it would be very competitive and you'd end up with some really good players.

I guess I could answer this rather easily. there are only about 4-5 schools in the wbl that even have a freshman team anymore. those 15 starters you're talking about. you can't even think of counting OE's contributions to this equation. so maybe 10 starters each year. there is no height, few ballhandlers, and maybe 1 or 2 decent shooters. you can't make steak out of hamburger. I believe that in the next few years that they can return to the top level in the wbl but not if this group of parents is allowed to control the show. when their daughters are long gone og basketball will still be there.

[milt73]

W's in Jr High doesn't mean W's at the JV Level. W's at the JV level, doesn't mean W's at the Varsity level. Things just don't translate sometimes. If the coach is playing mostly younger kids, they are going to take their lumps no matter how athletically gifted they are. Hopefully, taking lumps while the kids are younger will translate into giving lumps later. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

I'm always a little discouraged when parents run a coach out. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, but it rarely is. To barrow and cut a phrase, they are usually looking through 'green' colored glasses. Most parents that do this, want Coach K or Tom Izzo to walk through that door to be their next coach. They usually end up with some 24 or 25 year old kid with very little experience get the job. Only to realize that 'man, that coach last year wasn't that bad.'

[Common Sense]

milt73, on 14 March 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

W's in Jr High doesn't mean W's at the JV Level. W's at the JV level, doesn't mean W's at the Varsity level. Things just don't translate sometimes. If the coach is playing mostly younger kids, they are going to take their lumps no matter how athletically gifted they are. Hopefully, taking lumps while the kids are younger will translate into giving lumps later. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

I'm always a little discouraged when parents run a coach out. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, but it rarely is. To barrow and cut a phrase, they are usually looking through 'green' colored glasses. Most parents that do this, want Coach K or Tom Izzo to walk through that door to be their next coach. They usually end up with some 24 or 25 year old kid with very little experience get the job. Only to realize that 'man, that coach last year wasn't that bad.'

My other comment on running coaches out is be careful what you wish for. I tell people there isn't exacly a long line of people wanting to coach high school basketball, especially girls. Between the nearly year-long commitment these days, long season and parent problems, it's not exactly attractive. If you have an experience coach who is willing to do it for what they get paid, that's about 3/4's of the battle.

[milt73]

Common Sense, on 14 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

My other comment on running coaches out is be careful what you wish for. I tell people there isn't exacly a long line of people wanting to coach high school basketball, especially girls. Between the nearly year-long commitment these days, long season and parent problems, it's not exactly attractive. If you have an experience coach who is willing to do it for what they get paid, that's about 3/4's of the battle.

I couldn't agree with you more. If anyone on here has ever been an athletic director or a V coach, they understand how hard it is to find quality jr high coaches also. There are a lot of parents that think they can coach, but never volunteer themselves for the jobs (not even to help out with the saturday morning, sunday afternoon little kids stuff).

Just recently, my father told me how PO'd he was at some of the jr high basketball coaches while I was playing. I had no idea. He didn't want me to know because he knew it could cause problems between me and the coach. He never said a word to me OR the coaches. Why? It wasn't his place to say something.

Hate to date myself, but I haven't been in jr high for over 20 years.

Edited by milt73, 15 March 2012 - 03:11 PM.

[Common Sense]

milt73, on 15 March 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

I couldn't agree with you more. If anyone on here has ever been an athletic director or a V coach, they understand how hard it is to find quality jr high coaches also. There are a lot of parents that think they can coach, but never volunteer themselves for the jobs (not even to help out with the saturday morning, sunday afternoon little kids stuff).

Just recently, my father told me how PO'd he was at some of the jr high basketball coaches while I was playing. I had no idea. He didn't want me to know because he knew it could cause problems between me and the coach. He never said a word to me OR the coaches. Why? It wasn't his place to say something.

Hate to date myself, but I haven't been in jr high for over 20 years.

Unfortunately, many times you have inexperienced coaches at the jr. high level, coupled with some parents first experiences with school sports. Unlike travel teams who typically have 7-8 kids (everyone plays), you have the last 5-6 kids on the bench who rarely play, and that causes issues with the parents/ coaches. Many young coaches careers end after a couple of stressful seasons like this.

[Ihatesoccer]

Maltese Falcon, on 13 March 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Charlie Sheen is correct, hopefully Coach Smith sticks with it. She is a good coach and very dedicated to the OG program..No way OG gets anyone near her level of dedication and knowledge to take over.

Have you played for her ? then you dont know!!!

[Rocketman]

I am sure you can find many who like playing for the current coach