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[cropduster]

Coach_B, on 08 March 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

Vanlue's opposition is understandable. They are the smallest of the small.
For Arlington, I think things are more complex. Many in the community would like nothing more than L-B to leave the conference (see former coach Joe Metzger's letter to the editor at The Courier). Whether they are just resentful of their all-sport success or just think if we get rid of these guys we'd have a better chance of winning the league most years I'm not entirely sure.
I do think the BVC in its current state is comfortable for Arlington. They can go 7-3 and have a shot at the playoffs every year. Add a Carey, Hopewell-Loudon, Grove, etc. things become much more difficult.

Bingo Coach B gets the prize, that's exactly why,it kills them when other schools are successful seen/heard it first hand during the 90's when HN was putting together some nice runs, and change is difficult when you're in your little comfort zone like mentioned. What is interesting this has gone from expansion to creating a whole different league...WOW

[Warthog]

At some point though, I think that Arlington has to consider the possibility that if they do not support expansion of the BVC, they could wind up in a league with H-N, Vanlue, Arcadia, North Baltimore, St. Wendelin, Tiffin Calvert, etc. Now, which would be the better option? Expand with the BVC or get left behind with all the bottom schools when the other progressive BVC schools go out and form a new league with Riverdale, Ada, H-L, Bluffton, Grove, Carey, etc.

[bob22]

Vanlue against it is no shock. They're the smallest fish and and there is no way the bvc would consider Bettsville.

Coach B and cropduster are dead-on about Arlington

- No one fears change more than Arlington. Its like they expect it to be 1979 forever. They were the last or second-to-last school to have jr. high football. They've voted down building a new high school at least three times. The first was understandable, the other two times not so much.

- Despite their 500+ wins in school history, they've never had an run of success like C-R in the 60s/early 70s, McComb in the 80's, HN from 93 to 06, or LB from mid-00's to present. They would have never dreamed in 1985 that between 1989 and 2007 they'd only beat HN three times or have to endure 71-0 or 48-6 beatdowns. They seeth that HN and LB, perennial celler-dwellers, were able to rise up and accomplish things they can only dream of. It sticks in their craw. Losing to Vanlue would be the final slap in the face.

New schools would be viewed as a threat. Rather than seeing it as a challenge they'd rather just avoid it (**cough cough** NWC/LCC).

- They don't have wrestling, cross-country, or the spotted melon. Adding schools with those sports and perhaps those becoming conference sports would make it harder for them to resist pressure to add said sports.

- or they know that if it's a big/small split or east/west their stuck with Vanlue, Arcadia, and HN anyways so why bother

Edited by bob22, 08 March 2012 - 01:21 PM.

[fightingpanther]

That was excatly my point Warthog about Arlington with that schedule they would struggle to keep athletics going from a revenue standpoint. Also Vanlue should vote for it they are lucky to even have an opportunity to be in a league. Most leagues would've voted them out many years ago. The BVC schools need to look at the additional revenue the expansion could bring them and be active and make it happen! There will never be a better opportunity to expand and BVC is going to miss out.

[polkhigh33]

A package deal involving Sandusky St.Mary to the MAL could not be worked out and they officially withdrew interest today.

It's every MAL school for itself now, although it unofficially has been since Mohawk, Carey and SE decided to leave.

[Buckshot]

I think everyone has it dead on as to why Arlington would vote no to expansion. For Vanlue and even HN and Arcadia the proposal to two divisions make sense. At the end of the day I truly believe these schools would be better off with the addition of one more small school. The way the divisions would be set would place the bottom two schools in each division to play the bottom two teams in the opposite division. For example, say Vanlue and NB are in one division and Arcadia and HN in the 2nd division. Vanlue would get to play a NB and both HN and Arcadia in the two crossover games. In addition to these games Vanlue also has the ability to find teams for their two open dates. In theory, Vanlue could play 5 competitive games in their season.

[roarintiger1]

Vanlue could schedule to play the sisters of the poor......they still will only have about 20 kids out for football.

[LimaJock]

I looked at the map. Form two ten team divisions. That would be 9 games. Determine division 1 thru 10. Week ten have two divisions 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, 3 vs 3, .....8 vs 8, 9 vs 9, 10 vs 10. Everyone has a winnable week 10 game and teams still in contention have a chance to earn good points. Numbers 1, 2, 3 from each division probably are safely in playoffs already, or very close. No need to try and find non league games. Every game is now very important. I think it would be a great concept.

Probably some state rule that wont allow it????

LJ

[HH75]

Not allowed.

[HH75]

Sounds like the sisters of the poor may not be the only ones with only 20 kids this year.... and I'm not talking about HN

Or the Lue

Edited by HH75, 08 March 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[DirtyPBear76]

actually you can play a team twice but you only get points for the first game. The second game doesn't count to the state.

[falconfan84]

Coach_B, on 08 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Just think if not for an absent, lame-duck school board member not attending a meeting, the Falcons could be in the NWCC right now. I was at the board meeting when they voted to leave to NCC for the NWCC and the vote ended in a 2-2 deadlock so they remained in the NCC.

Joining the NWCC would have been the worst move ever, IMO. I'd love to have the BVC invite Riverdale. Back in my high school days, I would have NEVER said that, but these are different times.

[davidson33]

falconfan84, on 08 March 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

I don't know who put together the Wikipedia page, but the info on Riverdale should state that they are a member of the North Central Conference, NOT the Northwest Central Conference...there's a BIG difference.

That ain't the only thing wrong with that Wiki page. LOL. As usual, with all Wiki pages...

The proposed schools being asked on there are wrong, too. Some schools on there that shouldn't be, while others left off.

And since everyone keeps relentlessly talking about Carey on here, you should all know that Carey has already sent back their letter to the BVC.

The answer was: "Not interested".

[polkhigh33]

I thought Carey might have interest and quite frankly maybe should....but they have a lovefest with the NCC backstabber group so, good luck with that. My hope us that at least Riverdale doesn't end up joining that group.

[veteranlefty]

_{Davidson, why is Carey not interested in the BVC? I actually thought that made more sense for them than the N10}

[thefoozball]

Carey has never competed in any sport other than football. Once again, the league would be very good with the right additions and thus would make it hard for Carey to ever compete in anything other than Football.

[polkhigh33]

thefoozball, on 09 March 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Carey has never competed in any sport other than football. Once again, the league would be very good with the right additions and thus would make it hard for Carey to ever compete in anything other than Football.

Whoa...I think Carey has held it's own in other sports throughout the years. It's not like the BVC is a juggernaut in all sports from head to toe.

[Pantherbuff]

I think the reason why Carey is not interested i the BVC is for the same reason they wanted out of their confrence.... The unknown statise of Vanlue and H-N in the future!!!!!!














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[WebFire]

thefoozball, on 09 March 2012 - 01:02 PM, said:

Carey has never competed in any sport other than football. Once again, the league would be very good with the right additions and thus would make it hard for Carey to ever compete in anything other than Football.

I don't agree with that.

[veteranlefty]

Panther may have the right idea....why go from unknown to more unknown when the N10 looks to be more stable with schools all around the same size. Carey did not like the small gates and 50-50 sales against Lakota and NB so why would Vanlue and HN be any different plus who knows how long they have football. Football is certainly king at Carey but they are always in top 3 in boys hoops and most girls sports have at least been respectable over the years. Baseball is a weakness as they would rather have their boys lift for football or run track (for football)....sounds like LB huh? So, if not Carey to BVC then who else besides Riverdale?? I would think Hopewell and NB would be salivating for an invite.