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lepiota, on 02 March 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

How do you figure, kaizen? I'm not disagreeing, I'd just like to hear specifically why you think that

kaizen, on 02 March 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

van wert deserves to lose. why not foul?????? dont give up a 3.


game tied at 54 overtime. stupid

slice slice baby, on 02 March 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

bahahahaha!!!!!

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Good night everyone have a great weekend

BTW keep our friends in Southern Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana in your prayers, the tornado damage was awful tonight and this afternoon

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charliesheen, on 02 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Not all that surprising if true. He gets an awful lot of credit for being a good coach....but with all the talent he's had there, his teams sure seem to struggle come tourney time. I don't recall more than a few times where I've seen a VW score and said "wow, can't believe they won that one"......but there's been a lot where I said "wow, can't believe they lost".

I'm with you, Froelich goes around 6-3 every year in the WBL and wins 8 or 9 out of conference playing the likes of Paulding, Parkway, Delphos Jefferson, Lincolnview, Crestview to get his 14-15 wins a year..............the guy has been there for close to 20 years and won one or 2 league titles, and has made it out of districts once, maybe twice. OK, I guess.........but by no means great.

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BlueJay, on 02 March 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

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Leipsic lost, what happened, PCL champs?

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Dog Fan, on 02 March 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

Wausean 74
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Thank you Indians!

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dhsdawg06, on 03 March 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Thank you Indians!

haha!
hata!!

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[kaizen]

vw up 3 in regulation, bath ball with 12-15 sec left. gets to 4 sec to go and they let bath shoot a 3 to tie? foul them and put them on the line rather than letting them hit a 3. It happened to holgate the night before against a good arlington team. percentage play is to foul in high school basketball - it just has to be the smart call

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kaizen, on 03 March 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

vw up 3 in regulation, bath ball with 12-15 sec left. gets to 4 sec to go and they let bath shoot a 3 to tie? foul them and put them on the line rather than letting them hit a 3. It happened to holgate the night before against a good arlington team. percentage play is to foul in high school basketball - it just has to be the smart call

Thanks, I hadn't seen your earlier post. You're right too. ESpecially the way both teams were missing foul shots

[kaizen]

funny - no mention on the radio at all. cant second guess the dean of wbl coaches i reckon

Edited by kaizen, 03 March 2012 - 09:34 AM.

[Dman]

There is no consensus on the right thing to do in that situation.

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To foul or not to foul? The debate about the efficacy of intentionally fouling has raged on in basketball circles for years. Recently, Luke Winn looked at the issue through the lens of the classic Kansas St-Xavier Sweet Sixteen game, and Henry Abbott at TrueHoop looked at the issue from an NBA point of view. Abbott cited hoops statistician Wayne Winston’s study of NBA games that found no significant advantage to fouling when up three points. My dataset presents, to my knowledge, the first comprehensive empirical study of the issue for college basketball.
In the 2009-2010 season, I found 443 instances where a team held the ball down three points during their last possession of a period (either the end of the 2nd half or an overtime period). In 391 of those cases, the team leading did not foul. In 52 cases, the team chose to foul. While the unequal sample sizes aren’t ideal, the 52 cases of fouling are significantly more than found in Winston’s NBA study (27).
Of the 52 teams that committed a foul, six lost the game for a winning percentage of 88.46%. Of the 391 teams that did not foul, 33 lost the game for a winning percentage of 91.56%. Both a two sample t-test of proportion and a Chi-squared test fail to reject the null hypothesis that there is a difference in winning percentage between the two strategies. In this sample, teams that did not foul won slightly more often. For the less statistically inclined, this means that there is no significant difference between the two strategies.

[Emerson]

NBA and college vs High school?

I'm not buyin..

[SportsNut1]

Foul, Foul, Foul. I was at game. And with all the coaches on the benches, someone had to know Bath was around 50% that night from the line. So I'm saying the % Bath could make 1 then miss 1 get the rebound and score is very low. It's a game time decision.

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It was a great high school game to watch.

[harley46]

better than fouling is let them have a layup and then hold the ball out of bounds. and of course defend the three point line.

[kaizen]

good point if the team behind has no timeouts left in your scenario. but a viable alternative