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[slice slice baby]

The Owl, on 10 February 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

Not football related?

Wasn't it the head football coach making a joke about a football player in the weight room in front of other football players?

1st off, Maag wasn't a football player....(which I really feel Elida made a HUGE mistake allowing him to participate AT ALL to begin with.... I think they prolly feel the same now, as well.... You know what they say....no good deed.....)
2nd, yes, weight traing in weight room, but not specifically for fb, as I understand...believe wrestling? Been a while, memory getting fuzzy already.
Lastly, incident was in his class room, acting in his capacity as a teacher..... Why would he be punished by game suspensions for fb?

[downdawg]

slice slice baby, on 10 February 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

1st off, Maag wasn't a football player....(which I really feel Elida made a HUGE mistake allowing him to participate AT ALL to begin with.... I think they prolly feel the same now, as well.... You know what they say....no good deed.....)
2nd, yes, weight traing in weight room, but not specifically for fb, as I understand...believe wrestling? Been a while, memory getting fuzzy already.
Lastly, incident was in his class room, acting in his capacity as a teacher..... Why would he be punished by game suspensions for fb?

a kid does not have to participate in any sport to be able to workout! all they have to do is find out if there will be someone in the weightroom at the time they would like to workout.this incident with Magg did happen during a football team workout. and you keep on refering to them as felons which they are not and never will be. they were adjudicated. look up the meaning. and it sure is funny how you continue to throw rocks and say everybody else should let it go. By the looks of your record you should be the first to relize kids make mistakes.

[slice slice baby]

downdawg, on 10 February 2012 - 12:36 PM, said:

a kid does not have to participate in any sport to be able to workout! all they have to do is find out if there will be someone in the weightroom at the time they would like to workout.this incident with Magg did happen during a football team workout. and you keep on refering to them as felons which they are not and never will be. they were adjudicated. look up the meaning. and it sure is funny how you continue to throw rocks and say everybody else should let it go. By the looks of your record you should be the first to relize kids make mistakes.

I said, he was not a player....
There are actually a few different meanings to adjudicated, so perhaps you need to inform us of which you claim is in effect? And, also, if you do have a problem with the term felons, which as far as I've seen is the case according to the LN, 'real media'(which many of you seem very fond of, when it suits you), you need to take it up with them..... That's certainly a slander/libel case as many ppl 'round here like to threaten occasionally..

As for me and my record......ive made it clear I'm no angel and It's not anything that I haven't addressed here already in the past..... All the more reason why I say everyone needs to quit their personal agendas/vendettas and allow this to die in the community's minds so these kids can (hopefully) move on.

Btw... I've never had nor been charged with a felony.

[DC/MS]

I do believe, if my memory is serving me correctly, the only difference between the Pizza Boyz is the "degree" of the felony..............................................

[boo]

slice slice baby, on 10 February 2012 - 07:29 AM, said:

If not for the robbery, there would have been no basis for the joke.....
You can't be a convicted felon that's done time and not expect these kinds of comments and jokes from all of society.... It's gonna take some time for their (pizza bandits) 'indiscretion' to fade in ppls' minds.... 'til then, you're subjected to the unkind remarks and ridicule.... Although, I once again, do not suggest Carp was correct in his 'horseplay'; he's got his 'sentence', as well.....I just think it's doing an incredible injustice to these 'boys' for the parents and 'friends' to keep up this vendetta instead of admitting (TRULY admiting and ACCEPTING ) your kid(s) did wrong,.....quit trying to get vengeance; let it die in ppl's minds so they can get on with their lives instead of always having to deal with all the drama all of the time.

The fact that Brandon was one of the boys that was involved in the pizza robbery really has nothing to do with an adult, male, teacher, coach commiting this very inappropriate act on a student in the school weightroom in front of other students. Nobody should expect or accept this kind of behavior from someone who is responsible for teaching our kids. Do you think it would be different if it was another student? I don't think the parent is trying to get vengance. She found out about this incident and reported it as any parent would and should do. The real injustice is Carpenter and Diglia lying about the whole thing. At least Brandon admitted to what he done was wrong and served his punishment. And, I'm not so sure if Miss Maag had not reported this incident that this recent activity that happened in the classroom would not have been covered up also. You really need to quit blaming the actions of this coach on Brandon and three or four parents. Remember there were 70+ people at the last school board meeting that were outraged by this incident.

[The Owl]

All right, let me get this straight...


A FB coach was in the weightroom with his athletes for an organized workout, presumably after school.

This Maag kid who played a part in an incredibly embarrassing incident that caused two of the best best players to leave his team - chose to be in the weightroom at the same time as football players and their coach

The Maag kid was not a football player at the time of the crime, and was not a football player afterwards.

This kid voluntarily placed himself under the supervision of Coach Carpenter by chosing to work out at that time, and would not have been allowed to be in the facility if Coach Carpenter was not there.

Coach Carpenter made one or more inappropriate and insulting comments, and did his best to humiliate Maag in front of the football players.


Is this all accurate?


Other questions...

Did this happen after school, or was part of a PE class? Is this coach a PE teacher?

Did the coach also send a text to this kid that ripped him for playing a role in the crime that deeply impacted his football team?

Is Coach Carpenter paid to be a "weight room monitor" where he is expected to supervise non-football players?



Sounds like the coach was still angry at this kid and decided to humiliate him, possibly to make the kid quit coming to the weight room while he was supervising. Not the sort of thing a school wants men in leadership roles doing for any reason.

Not real sure that making a football coach supervise non-football players, especially one that he had a negative personal history with, is a very good idea.

Edited by The Owl, 10 February 2012 - 03:04 PM.

[osufan512]

boo, on 10 February 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

The fact that Brandon was one of the boys that was involved in the pizza robbery really has nothing to do with an adult, male, teacher, coach commiting this very inappropriate act on a student in the school weightroom in front of other students. Nobody should expect or accept this kind of behavior from someone who is responsible for teaching our kids. Do you think it would be different if it was another student? I don't think the parent is trying to get vengance. She found out about this incident and reported it as any parent would and should do. The real injustice is Carpenter and Diglia lying about the whole thing. At least Brandon admitted to what he done was wrong and served his punishment. And, I'm not so sure if Miss Maag had not reported this incident that this recent activity that happened in the classroom would not have been covered up also. You really need to quit blaming the actions of this coach on Brandon and three or four parents. Remember there were 70+ people at the last school board meeting that were outraged by this incident.

70+ people that are outraged by it, hundreds of others who think that this should be moved on from, gotten over, etc. I know somewhere in this topic there was a post by Jeffcat that said something regarding seeing/hearing a lot of things in his day in the world of high school athletics. I could not agree more. There are things like this, if not worse, going on daily in locker rooms, weight rooms, basketball courts, and on any other playing surface. While the coach clearly was in the wrong and should have had a better judgment when it came to both the weightroom issue and the classroom incident, the situations are both over, the school handled it in the best way THEY SAW fit, and the legal system found no cause to take action. As far as it all goes, it should be moved on from.

[osufan512]

The Owl, on 10 February 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

All right, let me get this straight...


A FB coach was in the weightroom with his athletes for an organized workout, presumably after school.

This Maag kid who played a part in an incredibly embarrassing incident that caused two of the best best players to leave his team - chose to be in the weightroom at the same time as football players and their coach

The Maag kid was not a football player at the time of the crime, and was not a football player afterwards.

This kid voluntarily placed himself under the supervision of Coach Carpenter by chosing to work out at that time, and would not have been allowed to be in the facility if Coach Carpenter was not there.

Coach Carpenter made one or more inappropriate and insulting comments, and did his best to humiliate Maag in front of the football players.


Is this all accurate?


Other questions...

Did this happen after school, or was part of a PE class? Is this coach a PE teacher?

Did the coach also send a text to this kid that ripped him for playing a role in the crime that deeply impacted his football team?

Is Coach Carpenter paid to be a "weight room monitor" where he is expected to supervise non-football players?



Sounds like the coach was still angry at this kid and decided to humiliate him, possibly to make the kid quit coming to the weight room while he was supervising. Not the sort of thing a school wants men in leadership roles doing for any reason.

Not real sure that making a football coach supervise non-football players, especially one that he had a negative personal history with, is a very good idea.

As I am not close to the Elida community or football team in any way, I dont really know all of the answers to the questions you have asked. However, from reading several of the Elida topics that have been on here as of late, the way I understand it is:

The kid was on the football team, but as part of his role in the pizza robbery thing, he was not allowed to participate in any sports at Elida. Coach Carpenter still wanted him to be around the team and be involved since it was going to be his senior year, so he arranged with the administration that he could come to lifting sessions and be a part of the progr'am, he just could not play or practice with the team. Then, while in the weightroom for one of these sessions, Coach Carpenter made the "joke" towards the kid.

[The Owl]

Ah, sorry. Should have read back farther in this thread.

So this Maag kid was a football player and one of the pizza bandits. Later he sends a text apologizing to the coach, but the Coach didn't accept his apology and sent him back a bitter, angry response.

So the kid still voluntarily chooses to lift weights with the football team which places him under the coach's care and control while he is there?

Huh? That makes no sense to me.

I don't understand why he would do that unless he wanted to play next year?

In my opinion, Elida should have banned the kid from participating in off-season as well as in-season athletic activivies, much less expecting the coach to supervise him. If he's paid to monitor the weight room for ALL Elida students then I think its a different situation.

That said, the coach's actions are extremely inappropriate, and should warrant some type of response by the administration.

[slice slice baby]

slice slice baby, on 10 February 2012 - 09:09 AM, said:

1st off, Maag wasn't a football player....(which I really feel Elida made a HUGE mistake allowing him to participate AT ALL to begin with.... I think they prolly feel the same now, as well.... You know what they say....no good deed.....)
2nd, yes, weight traing in weight room, but not specifically for fb, as I understand...believe wrestling? Been a while, memory getting fuzzy already.
Lastly, incident was in his class room, acting in his capacity as a teacher..... Why would he be punished by game suspensions for fb?

The Owl, on 10 February 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

Ah, sorry. Should have read back farther in this thread.

So this Maag kid was a football player and one of the pizza bandits. Later he sends a text apologizing to the coach, but the Coach didn't accept his apology and sent him back a bitter, angry response.

So the kid still voluntarily chooses to lift weights with the football team which places him under the coach's care and control while he is there?

Huh? That makes no sense to me.

I don't understand why he would do that unless he wanted to play next year?

In my opinion, Elida should have banned the kid from participating in off-season as well as in-season athletic activivies, much less expecting the coach to supervise him. If he's paid to monitor the weight room for ALL Elida students then I think its a different situation.

That said, the coach's actions are extremely inappropriate, and should warrant some type of response by the administration.

it was investigated by the school ....and by the sheriffs office and brought to the prosecutors office......Nothing found ....There's not much more you can do....(except drop it, hopefully!!)

As we've both suggested, one of the the biggest mistakes was trying to give the young man(only because of f his family and 'friends ') a second chance....
Again,not excusing carp, but, if the robbery wouldn't have happened in the 1st place , none of this would be an issue now.

[boo]

osufan512, on 10 February 2012 - 03:05 PM, said:

70+ people that are outraged by it, hundreds of others who think that this should be moved on from, gotten over, etc. I know somewhere in this topic there was a post by Jeffcat that said something regarding seeing/hearing a lot of things in his day in the world of high school athletics. I could not agree more. There are things like this, if not worse, going on daily in locker rooms, weight rooms, basketball courts, and on any other playing surface. While the coach clearly was in the wrong and should have had a better judgment when it came to both the weightroom issue and the classroom incident, the situations are both over, the school handled it in the best way THEY SAW fit, and the legal system found no cause to take action. As far as it all goes, it should be moved on from.

Really, You do realize this coach mounted, simulated anal ######, and asked the STUDENT if this is how he likes it. You can honestly tell me you have seen this and worse in locker rooms and it goes on all the time? You have seen worse? This is not the same as hiding a kids uniform, or putting him in a porta john to be stung by bees. Yes, those are jokes but what Carpnter did is not even in the same realm. You must have been in the same locker room with JeffCat. Glad I was not on that team. As you said in another post you are not near Elida or this situation so I would not expect you to care. However, there are plenty of people in Elida and do have kids in the school system who do not want to move on until something is done. There has all ready been one other incident that we know about. How many more does there need to be?

[clutch]

boo, on 10 February 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Really, You do realize this coach mounted, simulated anal ######, and asked the STUDENT if this is how he likes it. You can honestly tell me you have seen this and worse in locker rooms and it goes on all the time? You have seen worse? This is not the same as hiding a kids uniform, or putting him in a porta john to be stung by bees. Yes, those are jokes but what Carpnter did is not even in the same realm. You must have been in the same locker room with JeffCat. Glad I was not on that team. As you said in another post you are not near Elida or this situation so I would not expect you to care. However, there are plenty of people in Elida and do have kids in the school system who do not want to move on until something is done. There has all ready been one other incident that we know about. How many more does there need to be?

While being inappropriate from a teacher/coach, it was a joke and im sure his friends were giving him worse.

[osufan512]

clutch, on 10 February 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

While being inappropriate from a teacher/coach, it was a joke and im sure his friends were giving him worse.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. As the "responsible" one, more should be expected. But, it cant be any worse than the jokes the kid had probably been hearing from his peers since the incident. I wasnt trying to suggest I have seen coaches act in this mannor as much as I was just trying to prove the point that this kind of thing goes on in every locker room in the country between the student athletes. Again, as the mentor, this should have not happened.

However, I should be interjecting the term "allegedly" in about every sentence of my post. The police conducted an investigation and found NO WRONG DOING. The school conducted an investigation and found NO WRONG DOING. I dont know what else you people want to happen. If the school was the only one investigating the matter, I could totally understand people speaking about the idea of a "cover up". But law enforcement officials have no reason to cover anything up and quite frankly they dont care about Elida's successful football season or how respected or not their head coach is. If he had done wrong, I am 100% confident that the appropriate measures would have been taken.

Edited by osufan512, 10 February 2012 - 05:25 PM.

[boo]

osufan512, on 10 February 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Exactly the point I was trying to make. As the "responsible" one, more should be expected. But, it cant be any worse than the jokes the kid had probably been hearing from his peers since the incident. I wasnt trying to suggest I have seen coaches act in this mannor as much as I was just trying to prove the point that this kind of thing goes on in every locker room in the country between the student athletes. Again, as the mentor, this should have not happened.

However, I should be interjecting the term "allegedly" in about every sentence of my post. The police conducted an investigation and found NO WRONG DOING. The school conducted an investigation and found NO WRONG DOING. I dont know what else you people want to happen. If the school was the only one investigating the matter, I could totally understand people speaking about the idea of a "cover up". But law enforcement officials have no reason to cover anything up and quite frankly they dont care about Elida's successful football season or how respected or not their head coach is. If he had done wrong, I am 100% confident that the appropriate measures would have been taken.

First of all I am not going to try and change any one's opinion on this incident ,you are entitled to your opinions and I can respect that but don't necessarily agree with you. As someone who has no children , grandchildren and no vested interest in the Elida school system I understand why you think this is no big deal. However, I am a member of the Elida community, had children who went there and may have grand children going there soon and I do think it is a big deal. There have been two incidents in a very short time involving Carpenter and a student that we know about. Are there more we don't know about? What about the next incident? Where do you draw the line? I know if I did these acts at my place of employment I would no longer have job. As far as the investigation is concerned, Diglia said he talked to Carpenter, Maag, one witness, and an asst. coach. Really, one witness? What about the other students in the locker room. I have personally been told by two football players who were in the weight room that day this did happen and they saw it. Funny, Diglia did not talk to them. And for the Sheriff investigation I know that these two players wrote statements for Miss Maag and were never talked to by anyone, Diglia or the Sheriff department. The Elida Superintendent and Head Football coach have lost any integrity they may have had by lying about this whole incident. I have all ready talked to a few returning football players who know the truth who have said they can no longer play for Carpenter. What a shame!

[jellybeans5]

I think the kid that got kicked in the balls and dropped to the floor in the classroom is far worse than what happened in the locker room in my opinion. He is lucky the parents didn't press the issue and let administration do their job.

[blitzkreig]

boo, on 10 February 2012 - 03:41 PM, said:

Really, You do realize this coach mounted, simulated anal ######, and asked the STUDENT if this is how he likes it. You can honestly tell me you have seen this and worse in locker rooms and it goes on all the time? You have seen worse? This is not the same as hiding a kids uniform, or putting him in a porta john to be stung by bees. Yes, those are jokes but what Carpnter did is not even in the same realm. You must have been in the same locker room with JeffCat. Glad I was not on that team. As you said in another post you are not near Elida or this situation so I would not expect you to care. However, there are plenty of people in Elida and do have kids in the school system who do not want to move on until something is done. There has all ready been one other incident that we know about. How many more does there need to be?

How and why do people keep adding little bits to this i didn't read in paper or anywhere else that said the kid got "mounted, anal ######". There was a humping movement according to our wonderful news sources and unless you were there i would say that's it. I am close to elida community and I'm surely not alone in wishing people would move on, why would diglia risk all the money he makes to cover up for a coach who roughly 5 years ago he didn't even know existed. It's not like this is some good ol boy that has been around elida his whole life.

[boo]

blitzkreig, on 11 February 2012 - 08:00 AM, said:

How and why do people keep adding little bits to this i didn't read in paper or anywhere else that said the kid got "mounted, anal ######". There was a humping movement according to our wonderful news sources and unless you were there i would say that's it. I am close to elida community and I'm surely not alone in wishing people would move on, why would diglia risk all the money he makes to cover up for a coach who roughly 5 years ago he didn't even know existed. It's not like this is some good ol boy that has been around elida his whole life.

The January 10 Lima News article stated "Brandon was face down stretching in the weightroom , Carpenter straddled him made a humping motion and asked if this is what big Bubba did. What exactly do you think he was simulating?

[DC/MS]

A couple players going to not participate next year???????

[blitzkreig]

I stand corrected, i guess 9 pages was too many to sift through....me not being a private investigator like yourself....IF in your investigation there is 2 ballplayers that said that as you claim, i would say they are probably part time band members that don't even stay with the team at halftime.

[lepiota]

DC/MS, on 11 February 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

A couple players going to not participate next year???????

Only in football. I'm sure there will still be a lot of simulated humping, head kicks, and always a knee to the nuts here and there.