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[OhioDog5]

...to compare LCC and Grove when it comes to "transfer's" is totally ludacris. You guys at LCC have had triple the recruits in one year than we have had in the last 5 years. So to compare Bower's coming to Grove to all the people coming too LCC year in and year out it is nuts. But I guess all those other schools must be pretty rough and the students fear for their safety and have to go to LCC. Now i guess its understandable and I totally agree HA!
Osu4me..do not even start in on Will Play..if someone says one thing about LCC you and Gumshoe and other's go nuts and start attacking other school's. Calling other's hick's like Gumshoe likes to do, which just supports my statement even more that LCC thinks they are better than everyone else.
Letting LCC in the NWC was the worst move ever. Now its time to fix that mistake. Recruit some more in the offseason, get a couple studs from other school's and be back on top of the NWC next year.
--I am done with this thread for good and am done reading the crazy post by LCC people. All Hail Pope Cooper!!

[OhioDog5]

Is everyone at Encore from LCC. I suppose LCC people are the only ones sophisticated enough to attend such an event while us neandrathals from surrounding communities sit around playing cornhole and waiting for the next big game.

Clarett Fan..........What was so great about Dawgbones post? He/she whines about other people that whine about LCC and then tells others to go get a box of tissues. Classic........

I would much rather sit around and play corn hole then go to some Thunderbird Theater. But I guess that is what us hicks from other towns like to do! Is that where they bring the parents in of future LCC player's from.., say Bath?

[white_shadow]

Shadow, I am not going to play you said I said, I have known your posting for along time and you have always been fair. So unless someone else is using your name and password I am sure you will understand this. You make the comment comparing Thunderbird theater to Encore. Encore has many area students and pulls in a nice crowd to keep the theater open for all to enjoy. The students that perform there are quite good and the number of people that attend to support the number of people in the cast far out weights the number of people that attend Thunderbird Theater. You have made it clear what you think about Thunderbird Theather. That's fine, your entitled to your opinion. Just to clear somethings up for you tho it's not all about listening to Coach Cooper or watching a few films. We also get the stats of each player (on paper) from last weeks game, what to expect and who to look out for at the up coming game. We the parents also get a time schedule of what to expect for the week with our boys being at practise. We have dinner for those what wish to eat, hear what's going on with Mom's Club or the Athletic Boosters, up coming school news and anything else that might have to do with LCC. It's free and it's open to the public of all K of C members. Dinner and drinks are at cost!!

Why is it that just because an LCC fan or some fan of another school defends LCC you are now calling them Whiners?? "Clarett Fan..........What was so great about Dawgbones post? He/she whines about other people that whine about LCC and then tells others to go get a box of tissues. Classic........" Is Clarett and Dawgbone not entitled to an opinion because they support LCC?

OSU4me........I really don't have a problem with you or Clarett and I really could care less about the recruiting issue. Do I think it happens at LCC? Yes, I personally think it does. That being said, I think it happens other places also. That really doesn't bother me.

The only reason I replied in this thread in the first place is the arrogance of the Dawgbone post. To imply that LCC fans and students are much more rounded than people in other communities is a bunch of crap. LCC has a huge following at sporting events, especially during winning years and tournaments. I think that's wonderful but..............it's wrong to look down on other people for rallying around the high school sports teams in their respective communities when you do the same thing yourself!!

Here's is the post I am referring to and in my opinion, it reeks of arrogance. Please tell me if I'm wrong:

"Didn't LCC win the NWC title in Quiz Bowl last year, too? Why would you doubt people go there for academics? After all, isn't it a school? LCC gets a lot of transfer students and only a small portion of them are athletes. However, I guess the athletes are the only ones that matter to you. I know it's probably hard for you to imagine, but sports are not everything at LCC like they are in some communities. LCC has strong academics and a lot of kids who's main focus is exactly that. They also have a lot of very talented kids in the arts. Just go to Encore Theater some time and you'll see a lot of them. The last 2 Allen Co. Jr. Misses have been from LCC (I suppose they recruited them, too). Or maybe it's a Jr. Miss conspiracy. There's more to LCC than football unlike some other schools where sports make up the entire social life of the community. And, by the way, you're the only one on here who has claimed that LCC is the cream of the crop. They may not be, but they're not bad."

[clarett_fan2003]

white shadow...

I can see where you're coming from with dawgbone's post. However, I personally feel that he/she was just pointing out that LCC has students excel in areas other than sports as well because he/she felt that another poster claimed that LCC only cared about sports. Someone said that they bet Thunderbird Theatre gets a bigger crowd than Encore Theatre, trying to take an obvious shot at LCC's supporters. But since dawgbone and others have pointed that that sentiment is completely untrue, they are wrong for doing so? They were attacked as LCC supporters; do you expect them to sit idle?

And you can think that LCC recruits. That's honestly fine with me. The only thing that bothers me is when people try to diminsh LCC's accomplishments publicly just because they "think" something happens. I'm not saying that you're doing this, but rather just making a general statement.

OhioDog5...

I never said that Grove receives the amount of transfers that LCC does. Not once. But, what you continue to fail to comment on is the larger number of students/athletes that leave LCC to go to their public counterparts. LCC, on average, loses much more talent athletically than they gain. If you think I'm wrong then show me. Don't just whine about and expect us to believe you. I've named several names of athletes to leave LCC and make huge impacts at public schools and I've challenged you to do the opposite.

I've never once claimed that LCC doesn't receive transfers (most of which don't even participate in athletics). But, I also know that LCC loses a ton of transfers as well.

I'm done posting on this topic. It's obvious that no opinions are being changed here, on either side, despite the use of actual facts. Oh well, life will go and LCC will continue to try to build the best programs they can, athletically and otherwise.

Edited by clarett_fan2003, 11 November 2007 - 07:27 PM.

[clarett_fan2003]

I thought this might be a good post to leave you guys with. This was posted by a Salem fan, QuakerOats, on the Volleyball forum of JJHuddle in regards to the public vs. private debate.

"This is a WORN OUT theme among a lot Huddle threads. My team lost (Salem) but the idea is that in order to be the best you have to beat the best. We did not finish like we would have wished, but we are not blaming someone else or offering up excuses. We have open enrollment; if area players want to come to our school I guess they can -- not that they have, but certainly they could. Most kids that go to Catholic schools do so NOT because of the athletics, but because of the academic challenges, the discipline, the religious curriculum, and the moral values that are uppermost in the education process at those schools. You don't pay property taxes plus tuition just because you want to. Some people need to get over this 'recruiting' ## soley for athletic purposes, it is mainly a fallacy. I doubt you will see any Salem people bemoaning this issue, we know better; but remember, we will be back.

Go Quakers !!"

[white_shadow]

And you can think that LCC recruits. That's honestly fine with me. The only thing that bothers me is when people try to diminsh LCC's accomplishments publicly just because they "think" something happens. I'm not saying that you're doing this, but rather just making a general statement.

Recruiting is a two-way street. I would guess that in the majority of situations, parents are looking for a better situation for their child (athletically or academically) and initiate the contact between themselves and the coaching staff at the school that they will be sending their kid to school at. If a parent of a stud athlete contacts a coach, how many are going to say no, I don't want your child to play for me. Coop isn't the only one that welcomes them with open arms......

[clutch]

This is a volleyball thread so lets talk about the LIMA CENTRAL CATHOLIC STATE VOLLEYBALL CHAMPS!!! Or take it else where.

As for all of the angry complaints, it sounds to me that you guys are just mad about all of the success (which is understandable). If it were me, I would quit my b*$%ching and get to work to try to get to LCC's level.

Do you ever run out of excuses? Get real you're embarrassing yourself.

[OhioDog5]

See the post above me and you will see why I said LCC people think they are better than everyone else. Oh well..

[clutch]

I'm sorry about my last post. I said that out of frustration. I shouldn't let people on here get to me and sink to there level.

[slice slice baby]

Oh, there was one.....It was closed down....The debating was very respecful and argued well, on both sides, but had to be closed for other reasons.

[Will Play for Pay and/or Glory!]

At least while I have been making fun of you I haven't compared you to a double murderer and child molester! That is just plain wrong at any level.

What are you talking about? These guys broke no rules. On what basis could you possibly have any ill will toward any entity that has broke no rules? We've been told again and again that if you don't break the rules...then us "fools" need to shut up and not denounce questionable behavior. Now, you gum...LCC's most coherent and capable poster on this board come on here and make judgments about the unconvicted. Could you explain to the curious when it is and is not acceptable to make moral/value judgments as you have for Michael Jackson. Why the inconsistency in standards?

LCC excuses in a nut shell...

• We broke no rules!
• Everybody else does it too!
• Grove-fan is mad because we took their coach!
• Bath's superintendent should NOT have signed the document!
• The player is to blame!
• The parents are to blame!
• OHSAA guidelines are too weak!

If I have forgotten any of the deflection excuses...please feel free to add!

Notice the one person never on the list...? That would be their own superintendent! I'm willing to grant there are valid arguments in the deflection defenses used above. What is undeniable is that NO LCC fan has been man enough to admit that their own superintendent (the one person with veto power that had the most to gain by abusing the principle that exceptions were only to be made if the athlete was in physical or mental danger) played a large part in this.

The OHSAA guidelines are considered weak because they rely upon the superintendents of the two schools to make the judgment call about whether a transfer is in physical/mental danger. What we are really saying...at least for the Bath transfer...is that the superintendents were weak! They alone have the veto power. To paint this as a choice of the student/parents is disingenuous because the superintendents are the only two people charged with the duty of signing that form. They are not required to sign that form under any circumstance. They can simply say no. In fact, they are supposed to use judgment to uphold the integrity of the guidelines. The OHSAA specifically gives this power to the superintendents because they believed that these would be the people with the moral character and integrity to uphold the intentions of the standards. The intentions of the standards for those who honestly do not know...is to prevent students from transferring for athletic purposes. The OHSAA and most people with a decent value system understand that the principle of fair competition and the principle of academics over athletics are principles worth defending. When superintendents do not have a decent value system to uphold the intentions of the guidelines, or they are to weak to say no to the parents/students...the system breaks down.

We could even argue about whether the right judgment was made...but LCC-fan will not even acknowledge their role in thwarting (my opinion) the intention of the guidelines. They only consider the points above as valid discussion material. This fact (the only fact that has anything to do with my argument points on this particular thread) is undeniable. They simply cannot bring themselves to the point at which they can admit their superintendent might have made a bad judgment call. They are willing to admit that it certainly appears these kids are there for football only...but unwilling to connect the easy dots that illustrate exactly how and why...at least the Bath player...got to the point in which he was able to abuse the system for athletic gain.

It is easier to shout-down the messenger and deflect blame everywhere else. I think if you go back to my original post on this thread (page 2 or 3)...you'll pretty much find that this thread has evolved as predicted.

LCC-fan loves to deflect and censor discussion through the dead-horse debate. To an extent I agree with them. I'll just say that on almost every forum in RC there is some sort of self-congratulatory LCC thread where they want to brag and boast about their accomplishments. This is perfectly ok...and you certainly won't see the likes of me go on those threads to pee on the parade. But do note that there is a bit of stinky-horse syndrome going on with the numbers of self-congratulations needed! I do think it fair to come on here and provoke real debate about how LCC contributes to their own self-demise (in terms of character and reputation) on a thread titled "Why it is easy to root against LCC!!"

If LCC-fan tires of counterargument on a thread titled "Why it is easy to root against LCC!!"...I think it fair to say...don't respond. This is particularly true if you are going to respond by blaming everybody else...and ignoring the biggest and most important contributer to your reputation (your superintendent). Just stay on your self-congratulatory threads where tough questions will not be asked! Otherwise come prepared to debate and don't be surprised when you find yourself talking out of both sides of your mouth...broke no rules exonerates LCC, nut not Michael Jackson...yada yada! You'll just end up frustrated and have to resort to begging for censorship/name-calling/etc.

[Osu4me]

Will Play, I say this with great Humor in mind.....can you post any comments at 50 words and under in a post??

Edited by Osu4me, 12 November 2007 - 09:25 PM.

[Doctor PainInTheButt]

Will Play is someone that should be ignored people. He picks and chooses whom he wishes to bash. LCC just happens to be his drink of choice at this moment.
Recruitment is when a school official actively pursues an individual. Yet by Will Play`s standards it`s fine for a student to transfer from a private school to a public school because the said player can not get a long with a coach or whatever. In his mind all private schools actively go out and look for the proven talent. It could never be the fact that a player would want to play there for the same reasons that a kid from DSJ would transfer to Ottoville. Just couldn`t happen that way. He mentions dirty programs yet you`ll never know where he`s from BECAUSE chances are his school is as dirty by his higher than thou art standards than many or any of the schools he mouths off about. He comes here to preach his words of wisdumb because every other avenue he`s ever taken has shown him the high road. If you`re willing to listen to his antics he`ll give you all the bull you need to hear. But do you really need it?

Edited by Doctor PainInTheButt, 12 November 2007 - 09:56 PM.

[Will Play for Pay and/or Glory!]

He picks and chooses whom he wishes to bash.

Yep...anybody that has been around here for a while knows me...just picking on a few...never ruffling the feathers of any other schools!

Personal BS aside...butt has a good point. Just ignore me. This is perfectly reasonable. I ignore all the self-congratulatory LCC threads...never bother to open them because I prefer not to start debate in such a forum. I know that the other LCC threads are not the place for this type of debate. On the contrary, it seems rather crazy to get all upset about me...or anybody...who would be questioning LCC ethics/behaviors in a thread titled...Why it is easy to root against LCC!! What were you expecting to find here?

If you are the type of person incapable of tolerating differing opinions...especially those that may challenge the preconceived notions and self-righteousness associated with loyalty to one particular school...then just ignore...or stay off all together. How could you come on a thread with this title...and expect confirmation of your viewpoints without challenging counterargument? That just seems silly.

To set the record straight for you newbies...or those not familiar with my opinions. I'm against any and all transfers for athletic purposes. I've pissed off more public school fans than privates. You show me any true example of open enrollment abuse or transfer abuse (not sure I've ever used the term recruitment...but may have somewhere in my past)...and I'll gladly denounce it. And it is true...I'm incapable of posting less than fifty words...that is a given. I'm a free-flowing typer who shoots from the hip.

All the heated anger aside...I appreciate good debate and look forward to the one day that just one LCC poster can set-aside all the lock-step defense mechanisms to have civilized discussion about the judgment utilized by your own. You are very loyal and emotional in tearing down the likes of me, Grove-fan, and any others who dare question your integrity. And while I firmly believe your raw emotion blinds your objectivity...it is nice to see anybody care enough to get this fired up. It certainly seems appropriate (or would ironic be the better word?) that some of you might lose your cool a bit...given the subject of this thread and all!

I would just advise that if it gets to the point in which your additions to the conversation are based on anger instead of the subject at hand (Why it is easy to root against LCC!)...then indeed you might want to start ignoring this conversation and go to one of the numerous other LCC threads where you are slapping each other on the back! Not every subject is interesting for everybody. And certainly not everybody has the emotional stability to tolerate discussions floating just outside of the comfort zone. Huddle seems to be the type of place where censorship limits the hostility...but the place can be a snoozefest. RC is little more edgy with threads like this...and the typical ra ra stuff. The key is understanding your own personality type so as to not get drawn into a battle of wits...only to be overcome by heart and emotion.

If there is anybody left who wants more debate (I could use a break myself)...but I'm still game for discussing the moral/ethical ramifications of abusing physical/mental threat clauses in rules designed to assure fair competition...and what type of personality would/could lack the intestinal fortitude to uphold such standards!

Edited by Will Play for Pay and/or Glory!, 13 November 2007 - 12:27 AM.