http://www.thecourie...2012,Aug,29&c=s

Info, anyone???

When a player decides to particpate maybe 2 days of the ten days in June and attend very few open gyms throughout the summer? Instead of being with her high school team she is on a "self promotion" tour of college camps in hope of the all mighty scholarship. Think she plays AAU ball with a decent team and should be getting plenty of exposure there. Does a coach do anything or just ignore it?

Arlington faithful does NOT want LB to leave, I can assure you.

If expansion is done correctly, I am for it. If the schools mentioned pull stakes and leave the BVC to the likes of HN, Vanlue, CR and Arlington - I would vomit and begin my quest to become an avid fan of symphony orchestra...

lol Voice, I live in Kettering Ohio. Look it up lol. I hate how people automatically assume crap because they don't like what happend.
BOE made their decision based on evidence and you are arguing it still. What is your argument? If a coach isn't doing well anymore do they get to keep their job because they used to be good? Is a parent who isn't happy with a coach always wrong?? If a players comes and tells you a coach is doing something inappropriate do you still dismiss it and act like they are just being oversensitive? That league is a joke up there anyway. Come down and play some big girl Basketball. Bath is the only team that can compete.

Has Vanlue hired a coach yet? I know I saw the opening in the courier.

All valid points Cubbie...however, you are missing ONE MAJOR POINT...

LB HAD their D3 opponent on their schedule and LOST to them (Elida). FIrst you want the tougher opponent for computer points, then you lose Craft, lose the game and NOW DON'T want to play them (but you point out that you would have beat them w/ Craft). What is it really? Let's not forget as well that you BOUGHT out that game with Elida so that your team could make the playoffs knowing you would have had a tough game against Elida with a 50/50 chance of winning/losing - so you literally paid to get them off of your schedule. That is fact.

Arlington had a chance to get rid of Rdale a few years ago and elected to not do so. Why? Because tradition with this school was more important than trying to get add'l points by playing a better team like Carey, etc. You cannot "chase" computer points year to year based on your team's ability - take your schedule and live with it. Some years it works out and some years it does not. As for "Arlington playing Riverdale for computer points" - that is also not true. This rivalry has been going on well before computer points were around...it has nothing to do with points. If it did, we would have bailed out when we could have and found a new opponent that would have helped us with points. Fact is - we value the rivalry more than the points, not too mention that this is one of our top 2 gates all year in football.

I guess we agree to disagree - but you have ZERO chance of refuting my comments on Elida v LB. A mixed message comes from LB on this topic - I guess it changes year-to-year based on the quality of your team.

I don't disagree with any of this flounder...except...

There are some schools and coaches out there who have refused transfers to my knowledge (see Kortokrax). It does not change your argument in the least. But it is not fair to suggest "everybody does it" or "everybody would do it." We should at least acknowledge that some coaches and schools either would not do it on principal, or out of lack of opportunity. Ottawa is successful without doing it. Arlington and Jackson Center were fine this year. Kalida's history speaks for itself. Continental...? Every basketball team except Ada and LCC did it in the NWC this year. These are just the local examples off the top of my head.

The point is that you do a disservice to those school's mentioned above when you lazily opine "they all do it." The schools that don't use transfers do not deserve to be lumped in with those that do. There is a different level of respect rightfully reserved for those who navigate a more difficult path. This is true in all aspects of life, not just basketball. Whether they navigate this path by choice or no alternative opportunity does not change the fact that the path is more difficult.

My commentary on this subject addresses the humor that manifests itself from fans of teams that take the easier path. They somehow believe that their accomplishments deserve equal respect to competitors who have braved a more difficult challenge. That attitude is so wrong it is laughable. You can ride a helicopter to the top of Mount Everest. Or you can hike it. There are many scenarios in which the failed hikers attempt is much more admirable than the successful helicopter trip to the top.

Hiland and their transfer are an excellent basketball team. By all accounts it is a fine community and the transfer is a wonderful person. There is all sorts of respect to be found in that community's/transfer's successes. They just don't reach the level of what Arlington and Jackson Center demonstrated. Jackson Center and Arlington hiked Everest on their own. Hiland used a Sherpa. There is nothing inherently illegal, wrong, immoral with hiring and/or utilizing a Sherpa to climb a mountain...even if the Sherpa volunteers to help for free. But once you decide to accept the Sherpa's assistance, you forfeit the right to pretend that your accomplishment equals those who hike it solo.

Times have indeed changed. I accept it without liking it. Many teams WILL take every Sherpa that comes their way. Part of these changing times is that the respect given to basketball champions is of less magnitude than it used to be. The funny part is that those who accept "changing times" as reasonable explanation for utilizing Sherpa's are stuck way in the past with their perceptions of what their accomplishments mean in the modern era. You either accept that "times have changed" or you don't.

One hilarious consistency in all of these related posts concerning transfers is that regardless of school (Ada, Hiland, LCC, Elida, etc) their fan reaction is EXACTLY the same. They want to endorse "changing times" as explanation for the Sherpa(s) on their roster while simultaneously ignoring "changing times" as the reason most casual fans don't care about their accomplishments anymore...at least with the respect/magnitude the casual fan used to.

Just as you can't fight the trend toward temporary help...there is no fighting the trend toward fan apathy. I direct you to the declining attendance at high school basketball across the board. Check out the next AAU tournament and see how many people care about the victor besides immediate family. And why should anybody else care? There is no emotional attachments to hired Sherpas...

P.S. C-town...I can't stop it nor do I suggest we could. I just suggest that casual basketball fans simply don't care as much as they used to, and will care less in the future. This has already happened. Times HAVE changed. The only thing we can do is root like hell for those who do it the traditional way...and consistently point out Sherpa's on every roster where they exist. Assisted successes do not deserve equal celebrations. Deep down we all know this. Why do you think fans of "assisted" teams always attack the messenger and make every effort to stop any discussion of their Sherpa's? They want an equal celebration. They just don't want to take the more difficult path required to get the large celebration. There is something pathetic about these changing times...though I do reluctantly accept it.

Maybe someone should film these complaining parents sitting in the parking lots drinking before the games and show that to the board.

Until recently (the past 3 years) the BVC was not as tough as NCC in girls hoops (Wynford, Riverdale, Bucyrus, Colonel Crawford, Buckeye Central all had successful teams at one time or another).

.......... Also, it was quite coincidental that there were a set of sisters that (for one year) went to Findlay for older sis to play, then when she graduates, younger sis comes back to L-B to play for them. What's up with that?

Umm....Aaron C. was a move-in from Fostoria (D2 school at that time). Nice try, though.

I've heard the story (from an L-B parent) of how Aaron was quite the hot-shot in his younger years in a Toledo area youth basketball league (AAU, or something like that). He played for a Fostoria team. Everybody knew he was the best player in that age group. Turns out, the following year, Aaron's Dad brings him into a 5th grade practice at L-B, and says Aaron is coming to school at L-B. I'm pretty sure there was some thought on the parents' part with bringing him to L-B...and I bet the exposure to L-B's team at the Toledo league had a little bit to do with it also. You can't tell me that these parents don't have a plan sometimes...it doesn't always have to happen between 8th and 9th grade. The earlier you move, the less it looks like a transfer.

Here's to Garber looking at his options and realizing his BEST option is Arlington!! 3 Sophomores that play big minutes on a current state semi final team and deep talent all around.

IF Garber transfers, he would do it (I assume) for his best personal interest and want to have a shot at BVC championship as well as a run at state tourney. Having said that, he really only has 2-3 good options. Findlay High School, Liberty Benton (talent is not that robust right now) and Arlington. My guess is that if he does move, it will be to one of these three schools unless he goes to Carey cause it is the easiest transition with a parent already living there. Regardless of who gets him, someone would be very, very happy.

Same post two threads... c'mon Falcon you're better than that! Anyway... this is the same old talk every year... and it always ends the same, most small schools/conferences go through cycles of good years and bad years. Some, however, might not recover in the end and some may be on top for awhile. Still won't change the fact the LB will be in the BVC and be competitive. Until they dominate every sport like they have in track (boys and girls) the league won't "boot" them out... regardless of how much they recruit. There are other BVC schools out there that have had as much success at times in the past, and they weren't asked to leave, in fact other schools stepped up to the challenge and their turn came to be on top. I don't foresee a change in the BVC except for adding quality, not ridding the conference of quality opponents

An upper division school? (van buren doesn't count, they aren't known for recruiting, and aren't as big)

W's in Jr High doesn't mean W's at the JV Level. W's at the JV level, doesn't mean W's at the Varsity level. Things just don't translate sometimes. If the coach is playing mostly younger kids, they are going to take their lumps no matter how athletically gifted they are. Hopefully, taking lumps while the kids are younger will translate into giving lumps later. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

I'm always a little discouraged when parents run a coach out. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, but it rarely is. To barrow and cut a phrase, they are usually looking through 'green' colored glasses. Most parents that do this, want Coach K or Tom Izzo to walk through that door to be their next coach. They usually end up with some 24 or 25 year old kid with very little experience get the job. Only to realize that 'man, that coach last year wasn't that bad.'

Amazing, and this happens sometimes. Arlington's toughest games in the tournament were oddly at the district level where they were 5 seconds and one three pointer away from going home. The old adage that defense wins championships really rings true here. Arlington rarely let any opponent get in any kind of flow offensively. So many times in baskeball, kids just want to work on their offensive games, but this team rode their defense to a state title. NW Ohio appears to be truly the strength of the state this year with Ottoville, Holgate, New Riegel and a few others with outstanding years.

Ending was incredible. Great tourny game. The LB coach wowed me with his comments about 31 years coaching and maybe it was his turn (time). Came off very egotistical. Using his thought(or lack of) process, does it mean it was the S'ville coach's turn to lose like this? The "me" factor of his comments really baffled me.

Why was it a disappointment? They lost to a good Arlington team that just played their best game of the year? Hard to beat a team when they are banking their three pointers in. No disappointment there, Ottoville just didn't play their best. So I got a question for you. So was it a good year for Ottoville because I thought you said it was a disappointment? Because it can't be both.

Shortening the game can be a good thing if it gets you a Win. If I had a daughter or relation on the team and "shortening the game" would get them a win, then I would stay and be one of the most vocal fans there. I will be going to watch 4 different games this week and if anyone of them "shoertens the game" then my visit will be short lived. I like watching "basketball". Best of luck to the Eagles and hope I stay to the very end to see a hard fought game.

Other than on film, LB hasn't seen a defense like Archbold will play against them. There's not much else to say... you'll see.

Shortening the game can be a good thing if it gets you a Win. If I had a daughter or relation on the team and "shortening the game" would get them a win, then I would stay and be one of the most vocal fans there. I will be going to watch 4 different games this week and if anyone of them "shoertens the game" then my visit will be short lived. I like watching "basketball". Best of luck to the Eagles and hope I stay to the very end to see a hard fought game.